Episode 196: Is Rykard A Communist Icon? [Elden Ring]

Cameron

Um, but now we are going to get into this floating sky Temple Beyond time itself and really run around and try and figure out what's going on here. There's not actually that many clues Unfortunately, um.

Dave 10:36

There's always conjecture and we can do that.

Cameron 10:40

Oh yeah, we can conject as much as we like. So just as a general overview um all throughout Eldon ring as you explore the lands between you are seeing these massive chunks of masonry that don't. Fit the visual aesthetic of the zones they're in that appear to have just fallen out of the sky here's where they're all coming from. This is a real switch up for a zone. It is a floating sky city sky temple all breaking apart. And it's in the eye of this enormous storm which is a storm beyond time because this is sort of like an out of place out of time. Not a dream zone. It is real physically. Um, but it's one of those areas. You know it's the classic dark souls things where sometimes it's like are we going back in time for this or was is this place just stuck like this forever. Um, it's not as explicit as say artorious of the abyss where we know that area we are literally going into the past. Um this one's a little more nebulous. Ah, but still in a fun way. Ah yeah, you reach it primarily ah via defeating the fire giant and going to the fire giants crucible at the top of the mountains mountaintops of the giants whereupon you are teleported here.

Um, and the very first thing I did in firebazola.

I'm not sure about you is I slipped off a ledge and died.

Dave 12:13

I You know what I think I may have just missed that last little jump down the stairs. The little platforms and then was like oh no, it just start me back here. Okay I think I was also afraid I was going to be stuck here like I didn't open the map yet and I was like mmm.

Cameron 12:19

Yeah, yeah, you stuck mm.

Dave 12:32

Could it just teleport you here from the um, the forge.

Cameron 12:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, the first thing is that like just a little jumping sequence I absolutely completely messed that up and slipped off and died and you respawn right? at the start of the zone unfortunately until you can find a grace um because otherwise. Presumably this would be a game breaking bug if you didn't respaawn there and then just couldn't get back because you do need this is this is um, ah mainline content necessary progression. Um, even though yeah. It it feels so out of the way that.

Dave 13:13

Yeah I think the entire talks I bounced back and forth um to this area just kind of kept dipping my toes a little further into the pool each time because I I don't.

Cameron 13:19

Um, yeah m.

Dave 13:29

Was kind of maybe a couple of levels under leveled to do this like my weapons just were not hitting as hard as I was expecting and things were hitting me much harder than expected even given the rough time I had in. Um.

Cameron 13:32

Yeah, you're meant to be a hundred plus. Yep yeah, oh it, it.

Dave 13:48

Mountaintops of the giants.

Cameron 13:50

It continues that trend of the late game zones being just absolutely the the height of pure numbers Difficulty. You know the enemies aren't necessarily crazy but they're damage and their their hit points certainly are ah so it's it's that battle of the numbers. More than specifically the battle of oh God What is this animation. What am I even looking at um, yeah, um.

Dave 14:15

Yeah, they're all pretty readable so we'll we'll get into that the um, the aesthetic of this I I loved it like it's just it's just ah, such a change of pace and.

Cameron 14:24

Mm.

Dave 14:31

There's yeah, you're not looking at you're looking at like a sandstorm kind of it's the the tempest in the distance or immediately around you really, but there's like 50 wyverns just floating around in the.

Cameron 14:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 14:49

In the cyclone around you.

Cameron 14:52

Um, yeah, yeah, um, yeah, that's sort of the main theme of these areas is actually dragons which is fun and the secondary theme of Dogs. Or wolves. Um, but yeah, this is again. This is partially conjectured as far as we can tell before the time of the Earth tree. There was a nation of dragons and this was their capital which. That's from the old lords Talisman which is a talisman you get in this zone. This is the ancient Royal City of Farmaulla um, inhabited by the ancient King whose seat lies at the heart of the storm beyond time so time is wibbly wobbly and this. Is like a remnant of one of the Pre- Golden order civilizations same as the giants in their mountaintop and technically like the carrions um does that all sort of slam together eventually. Yeah.

Dave 15:50

Yeah, it all and all predated the the trees hold.

Cameron 15:58

The trees whole thing and once again, this is a zone where you can't see the Earth tree if I'm remember correctly primarily because of the storm. But um, yeah.

Dave 16:07

Um, yeah, yeah, you cannot see it um until well you can kind of see it at the end.

Cameron 16:16

Yeah, yeah, right near the end. Ah and also just in terms of distance. It is way out in the middle of the east like you again. This is one of those the map expands outsideways to Accommodate farmazoola.

Dave 16:31

Um, yeah, it's out over ocean.

Cameron 16:32

Sort of just being there hidden in the clouds. Ah yeah, yeah, dear, don't fall off the edge that is the primary danger of this zone is ah a lack of safety rails on a lot of the jumping areas. Let's put it that way. Yeah.

Dave 16:47

There's none. It's just a void below you.

Cameron 16:51

Yeah, it's not safe. Um, nothing is to be fair. Ah yeah, so yeah, aesthetically, it's absolutely Incredible. It's got its own ah somewhat unique architectural style where it involves a lot of fossilized bones sort of displayed in rock for pillars and things. Um, it's sort of a giant mausoleum. Maybe ah possibly at this point. Yeah, it's really leaning on that almost funereal aspect especially in a few particular rooms where you've got like bones displayed on altars. Oh yeah.

Dave 17:15

Yeah. Um, and and the general architecture is like larger.

Cameron 17:30

Yeah, it's designed for big boys. Not for us. Ah yeah, um, as I said dragons and dogs as you sort of explore through the area you get a ah lanche style dragon droping down on you. They are just. Regular enemies in this zone. Fortunately, there's only like four or 5 of them I think that you can actually fight because otherwise that might be a bit much. Um I just ran past most of the dragons I think I killed maybe 1 of them. Um, but hey.

Dave 17:51

Yeah.

Cameron 18:06

They're difficult to fight and it's narrow ledges and I don't want to bother with that? Yeah yeah, no horse This whole thing is a legacy dungeon no torrent for you? Um, yeah, yeah, um, but the the other primary enemy are these.

Dave 18:07

When you don't have your horse. So no, no torrent not within the torrent.

Cameron 18:24

Beasts which are dog-like wolf-like humanoids. Um, that are are actually previewed so early in the game. It is ridiculous. Um, I got to this zone and I fought one of these and I had a momentary internal freakout as I rewinded my brain I think like 70 hours to literally the first 2 hours of the game where you fight in a side cave in in. Um, oh god what's the name of the first reason.

Dave 18:55

Um, um, Lin Lin Lindell Lim grave yeah wow that's

Cameron 18:58

Li li no that's lane limb grave in limb grave in a side cave. Yeah it it was that long ago folks in in limb grave in a side in a side cave. There is a boss called the baseman of farra missoola. Ah, and they put him right there because in 70 hours or more you will reach this zone and go oh he came from here they were they were foreshadowing this this early and yeah.

Dave 19:32

Um, yeah I think that's the cave that you take and that goes to the Dragon Shrine is it not that one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

Cameron 19:38

Um, ah, no, no, that's the one with the um, the the Demihuman Chiefs This is the one on the path. It's relatively close. This is the one on the path towards the the road to the castle Storm vale.

Dave 19:47

Near there I think.

Cameron 19:56

Um, you know you go through the woods on the way to that one where you first meet Melaina Usually um, yeah, he's just yeah, he's just hanging out in limb grave and totally being a ah minus spoiler for what comes at the literal point.

Dave 19:56

Yeah, okay.

Cameron 20:15

End of the game This is like in terms of the straight path. This is the second last zone of the game. It's kind of wild. How much they put leaning in just like hey what's farmazoola just get to get you thinking only to have to remember it forever later. Um. Can actually also reach here through the 4 belfries in Inlyarnia You can get a little preview of the zone which I didn't find until after I beat the game but I've seen I've watched people playing the game and they're just exploringly Earnia normally and the first gate they open is that one in the 4 Belfriesze and.

Dave 20:35

Yeah.

Cameron 20:54

You just get teleported to a floating chunk of rock on the on the edge of firemasola in the middle of a storm and you go what the? what the hell is this? yeah.

Dave 21:06

Yeah, that's ah, that's been a fun trick that this this game loves to pull as far as like previewing terrible terrible places and you you can't really.

Cameron 21:14

Yeah, so. Oh man. Um, yeah, yes I think that is literally my favorite thing this game to us is the hey kids you want to taste.

Dave 21:20

It's like a little snippet of it and you're going mm Okay well I know I'll be here later but it's obviously better that it's later.

Cameron 21:35

Um, because they they pull it with caleed. Although that's more indep because they actually just dump you in caled. Um my favorite single moment of it is in um the the island to the south of Lim Grave you can teleport to lanedell.

Dave 21:39

They dump you there? yeah.

Cameron 21:52

To the royal capital and you just you teleport in. You're facing a giant gate and you turn around and the err tree is like maybe four hundred meters away and you're like oh I'm here in the in the thick of it as it were um and then there's yeah also the the 4 belfries do a variety of that. Which is always fun. There's there's a couple more hidden around I'm pretty sure like that the the telepotting is so good. Yeah, it's it's so good. It's so smart. Um to sort of really sell the scale of the world. Um, like because it's.

Dave 22:15

Yeah I mean there's a lot of teleporters.

Cameron 22:29

You know you can play the early game you you can be in lim grave for 30 hours easily and go wow. This zone is huge. This must be like a third of the game and then you finally find that one telepod and you get thrown into lane dell and you go oh right? I I've just not left the starting zone.

Dave 22:48

Yeah.

Cameron 22:48

So much more There's so much more to see. Um, yeah, get getting a preview. This place is incredible being in it is also incredible but in a different sense like getting an early preview. This would have been so awe inspiring. Once I got here I legitimately thought I was like at the end of the game I'm like this can't be a big area I'm pretty sure like it feels like it feels like at this point there's maybe 5 bosses left until the end of the game and I wasn't far off I think it was like 6 um, yeah. 5 um, but I I made the mistake of going. Well this can't be too big of an area. It doesn't look huge at the outset like you look over and like you can see across this floating city and then you get. Into it and realize that every chunk of rock has like 3 or 4 levels of rooms in it and there's whole bunches of traversals around it I think I spent 6 hours just getting a feel for and walking through the space figuring out where things were. Before I found the first boss in this area.

Dave 24:04

Yeah, they play a lot with verticality here and there's a lot of times where because it's it's um, it's a circle. It's like ah it's a circle that Folds in on itself and then or I guess if you took I think there's an.

Cameron 24:08

Ah, m. Yeah, big circle.

Dave 24:21

The papers of you take a um like a circle paper and then kind of cut a spiral into it and then you can lift. You know you can do this with Apple skin and lift it and it becomes a sphere. It's kind of like what this is done. It's just it's it's broken.

Cameron 24:31

Um, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's all disconnected chunks and you have to sort of. Fidget your way across all the broken floating masonry.

Dave 24:45

Yeah, and there's just a lot of points where I'll get someone and look out over where vistan go oh no I was just down over there. But I like I don't remember going up except like 1 thing of stairs and I'm clearly more than one story above where I was at.

Cameron 24:56

Um, yeah, yeah, this is this is the zone that they could not have made work. Anywhere near as well in any of the previous games except maybe Sekaro simply because that verticality you need to be able to Jump. You need to be able to safely fall just to get through this zone. It's It's ridiculous.

Dave 25:16

Ah. Um, yeah, the of any place I think that in the game to keep track of where this was really difficult for me like my so spatial mapping just did not play nice with this.

Cameron 25:37

Um, yeah.

Dave 25:42

Area and I ended up going down a side path but then forgot that that's what I had done just because of the way the the um graces work and then I I was like I can't I'm hitting a dead end I can't progress anywhere but I went you know.

Cameron 25:51

So. Yeah.

Dave 26:02

I thought a straight line but I had gone off on a side path at 1 point and so I mean I had to get to a walkthrough to figure out like where where did I diverge from where I'm supposed to go because I can't see it and I kept keep going up but there's a thing that looks like I can go down.

Cameron 26:15

Yeah I And yeah, no, no, it's wild. It is a real maze like I'm looking at the the factual life just to jog my memory. They have.

Dave 26:21

But virtual Muchara jump I Just die. So it's that's not it.

Cameron 26:33

6 separate maps for the different layers of this zone because yeah, it's it's that interlink and interlocking and crazy. It's less interlinked and interlocking than you'd think and that's I think what leads that issue with navigating is there's actually a bunch of dead end paths like there's.

Dave 26:33

Um, yeah.

Cameron 26:52

1 true path that will get you to the bosses that you need to fight to get out of here and all the other paths are pure exploration and don't necessarily hook back into that main path. Um, yeah, yeah.

Dave 27:03

Yeah, and that's not something that most of the areas have done before like you can usually navigate back or jump over a wall somewhere and go okay now I'm back to where I wanted to go. But.

Cameron 27:11

But most of the time you can get back. It's.

Dave 27:20

The the distances are too far here. Yeah yeah, wouldn't that wonder wonder about that wouldn't that make sense.

Cameron 27:22

Yeah, yeah, you'd need to be able to fly. Um, you need to be a dragon wouldn't that be convenient wouldn't be great. Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, it is. It is a super maze. Ah, but. But that means is that there's always something new to find I am certain I missed a bunch of stuff in here. But there's some. There's some fun stuff to be found I Think my favorite thing is this is actually the real payoff area for the volcano manorquest line which again wild.

Dave 27:39

Oh yeah.

Cameron 27:57

You could. You could have finished that quest line about twenty thirty hours prior depending on what zones you went to after finishing up with ah Juno and all that ah and um in a particular sidepath. You run you run through this area where red lightning just rains from the sky. And then you can go into another side path in that side path where it's suspiciously cleaned and clear and you get invaded by banal. Yeah yeah, banal banal banal says. Okay, enough of this. Um, it's time for you to go for the plan I guess.

Dave 28:22

Rec you sent brana. Yeah.

Cameron 28:35

And you can fight beral here and you get a key item a key usable tool I should say actually which is the the black. The black fang was it the oh god.

Dave 28:46

Um, and yeah took a shard or something claw. Yeah.

Cameron 28:53

That sha the the enemy drops blasphemous claw that was it not black, not black fang blasphemous claw. Um, which is so good I'm.

Dave 29:05

Um I got that backwards and I was like slightly upset.

Cameron 29:10

It's real useful. Um, so yeah, the the blasphemous claw is really interesting in terms of a law dip. First off if you find it before you reach the final boss of this zone. You get a clue about what the final boss of the zone is but also. Um, it's just really interesting. So this is a slab of rock that's had the run of death sort of traced onto it and um in in the iron rescription on the night of the dire plot ranny rewarded Preytor Reicchhard with these traces. Should the coming trespass one day transpire that would serve as a last resort foil allowing reichart to challenge malicath the black blade the black beast of destined death. Um wild. First off, that's so much information for like 2 sentences. Ah.

Dave 30:03

Um, yeah I think that's also the most lord that's in this area.

Cameron 30:04

It's so good. Oh yeah, it's the the most explicit part but it it is one of those pieces of law that I think the community is also sort of run with because when Ranny stole a fragment of the rune of death you. Reichard was still human enough to be trusted with like hey this is going down I need you to back me up being just in case, you're strong I think you could beat Maliccuth I Don't think anyone else that I trust can so take this. And then past that point he devolved into terrible snakes maybe or maybe he was already terrible snakes at that point but a little less crazy and it's hard to tell.

Dave 30:45

Yeah, it's hard to tell because he's still like he still knows what he's doing but he's just really hungry for like everything.

Cameron 30:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um and fun. Funnily enough. This is um, this is sort of played out in the statistics I believe. Ah there's a great channel that does like the elon ring npc fights basically and ah reichard in both of his phases is one of the few bosses that is able to stand up to malichu and give him a decent fight. Ah simply because he's got a. shitzillian hp compared to other bosses at the same style I think but but it's it's like it feels like it comes together just a little bit probably not intentionally, but like yeah he could have done it if he was sane enough to know how to use this item.

Dave 31:33

Um, yeah. Um, yeah, it and I wish I had had that item I will tell you.

Cameron 31:52

I I'll tell you I had it and I'm glad I did It is ah yeah, wish or wish you had had it. You would had an easier time. Um and have the right.

Dave 31:59

Well, that's the issue I had with Mog was um I didn't have the right bobble um, and I eventually was like you know I think I can make this a little easier on myself because that was the only that blood curse was the only problem.

Cameron 32:05

Write things. The shackle. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 32:17

I'd get him down to like 1 or 2 hits and then I would just die from the blood curse beforehand and that's the same problem I had with this boss area boss like 1 more hit pleat. No me yep dead.

Cameron 32:22

Yeah, yeah, no yes, exactly? Ah so yeah, um, speaking of bosses. Let's talk about and there are 3 boss fights. Farm all ah in the order that they can be discovered. They are let's let's talk about them in that order so actually start off with dragon lord placiddaaxs which is technically the first boss you can find of this zone. It was not the first boss I found in this zone.

Dave 32:56

You can get to him first.

Cameron 32:58

Um, I think you can I'm pretty sure you can get to him before the godskins I think um, ever got that wrong. Ah fuck.

Dave 33:06

I feel like the godskins are blocking the critical path to get over there because you don't you don't get to placi to sexs until the last um you get to him before the little the grace that will fork.

Cameron 33:13

You know what? no you're right in.

Dave 33:21

To burn now or the bot and boss. Yeah.

Cameron 33:23

Yeah, yeah, no, you're right? It is godskin first then we'll leave placidus acks for a sec. Um, so the godskins the apostles and nobles. You know them? you love them. How bad if you fought 2 of them at the same time in an ornsteinmo style situation wouldn't that be great.

Dave 33:39

It's and it's not even an orangesteins Mo It's like why it's It's calling that specifically. But it's um I can't even think of the boss it just skipped my brain. Ah they share.

Cameron 33:43

Mm. So oh the? yeah yeah.

Dave 33:54

Not only do they share a health pool but it's a it's a regenerative one which is worse like it's 1 main thing but every time you wipe one of them out. They'll just keep responding until the whole health pool is gone. It was terrible.

Cameron 34:09

Yeah, yeah, it's it was It was pretty rough. Um, apparently has gotten better through patches. But um I don't know how much better if you still had a pretty rough time because I had ah I had a God awful time with these guys.

Dave 34:23

I Had a rough time. Yeah, you do have um, ah burn all as an Npc summon. Yeah, which makes sense due to the.

Cameron 34:28

Yeah, really god damn it ah that that's after patch 1.03 okay

Dave 34:40

Lord of why he's there I guess.

Cameron 34:43

I Thought these before banal was available as a something.

Dave 34:45

Yeah I can't say that I don't think I used him to help me I think I just called a regular summon.

Cameron 34:48

Yeah I mean I ended up using the mimic and giving it the the fire resist Great Shield me like you go you go stand in front of these guys I'm going to stand back and throw lightning bolts until I ran outs.

Dave 35:02

Um. Um, yeah, this was the this was the battle that I had just switched to I had just picked up. Um the the blade of.

Cameron 35:13

M. So the blasphemous blade. No, you had the whole time. But.

Dave 35:24

No no I had that the whole time and I was using that for most to run up until this point and then I had so swerved to go questing or something. Um, oh I picked up the um, not the rivers of blood I already had that the other one.

Cameron 35:32

Yeah, yeah. The Moon veil. Yeah yeah.

Dave 35:43

Yeah, Moonbae Catana so I was like I just respect myself and try to use that um because it goes through the wall kind of it I mean they they had already nerfd it. So the damage output was not great.

Cameron 35:48

Right? Yeah yeah, up sort of yeah I.

Dave 36:01

It's fast, but it was doing like 300 damage less than the blasminous blade. So I think I may have respect back I don't remember this took a lot of time I did this battle a lot I think every time I've had to deal with these guys except for like the one on the bridge.

Cameron 36:06

Yeah, so. Um, oh yeah, yeah, me too. Don't worry.

Dave 36:21

It's been the most headache I just keep getting sat on. It doesn't end. Well.

Cameron 36:21

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because the thing is I love god's skin Apostle Godskin apostle is great I would love to fight 2 godskin apostles together. Godskin noble is so much. Um, just the the sonic move is what gets me where he blows himself out and starts spinning like it like an f one car's tire at you.

Dave 36:51

Um, yeah, that and ah and I have ah ah the the chronic issue of not remembering I can block like 100% but I don't think that's a blockable one I think it just runs over you anyway.

Cameron 37:02

Yeah, it's not it runs your stamina down in like 5 frames and then knocks you over and kills you? Yeah um yeah.

Dave 37:07

Yeah, because usually his even his rapier like I can block a part of it but he does like 3

Cameron 37:18

Yeah, so yeah, that rapier is mean it's so long. Yeah I will give them this. They've made him feel like a real fencer I feel like that is the kind of terror I would have if I was fighting someone who fought.

Dave 37:21

It's so long like it's deceptively long the range on it is a lot. Yeah.

Cameron 37:36

In that sort of that thrust precision style and you just go How can you reach that far. What are you doing police stop Oh through the wall is the worst go on if we bounce off bosses should bounce off just saying no cost. Not we live in. We live in a society.

Dave 37:41

Yes, please and stop stabbing to the wall. Yeah doesn't work that way. Yeah.

Cameron 37:58

Um, but yeah, you can eventually somehow defeat these godskins. Um for a while there was a glitch where if you took 1 of them out with a status effect. It would instantly deplete the whole health bar but that was a terrible bug and people are glad that's gone because it destroys 2 phase bosses and. Makes them. No fun. Kind of wish I could have done that here though. Um, yeah, yeah, listen I have nothing against cheese and I'm very proud of patty for what he's doing in his one bro currently, he's chees in it.

Dave 38:20

Um, yeah I think that's been my stance on it's like if a cheese works. Whatever. Um, he's yeah, he's become the the fromage King or whatever he's changed his name to now. It's great.

Cameron 38:34

To high heaven. Ah, yeah, but yeah, um, the god skins are really interesting in that. At first glance, they feel really out of place here like this is the dragon zone this is the Beastman zone. And they feel super out of place until you dig deeper into what the godskins are all about they worship. First of all the black flame which was the power of someone called the glomite queen who was the original holder of the power of death in the elder ring universe. Um, and so the reason they're here is ah as the blasphemous claw implied ah malichu the black blade current holder of the rune of death is here in firemazola and they are presumably here on sort of a little crusade to try and steal back. What was stolen from them which is fun. Oh god I kind of wish they weren't here though. Actually it yeah, it would be cool if you could summon them you defeat these guys. There's like a special summon for malaka.

Dave 39:36

Yeah. Yeah, Also that at least not together. Oh yeah, I mean you can you can cause play as them. But no, you can't do the flouncey So It's useless.

Cameron 39:53

Yeah, doesn't work out though. Ah yeah, exactly. Ah yeah after after you beat them, you open up a couple more paths including the actual critical path at which point we can now talk about dragon or placidus acts. 1 of the most visually. Arresting things I've seen in Eldon ring. Um, so as you' as you're meandering around farmers a ah you'll see off to the side some some rubble kind of just descending into the void below the city city and they'll go oh that's all set dressing I can't jump on that and then you'll see messages littering that entire area. Unless you're Leonard. Um, and so you can hop and skip and jump your way all the way down to like a giant ring of of architecture sort of like a colosy and wall and it's filled with these hollows where bones are laid in and. Around 1 particular hollow which has no bones in it. There's a ton of messages saying here here. Try this, etc, etc and you walk up to it and if you're me, you try to read some of the messages by pressing triangle and accidentally hit the prompt which says lay down. Ah, ah.

And you like any good soul's character upon seeing a coffin jump right in and you are transported even more out of time than you were before into yeah a giant arena it's.

Dave 41:21

The the cut scene is fantastic because it it reassembles fire mozoula to like it's the height of its glory but you watch it in real or narata you watch in reverse like reassembling itself and is.

Cameron 41:26

So good. Ah, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, is so good is like.

Dave 41:40

Very cool.

Cameron 41:45

We know we're know we're beyond time and space here already. But let's let's be real that means we get to do stuff like this and yeah zip. Ah the the whole city pieces itself back together and suddenly you're standing upright in like a col and wall and it's this enormous Arena at the.

Dave 41:49

Yeah.

Cameron 42:04

Dead center of the storm and just floating looking like a giant egg in the middle of this arena is a giant dragon with 2 heads sort of outstretched to the heavens off stargazing. They curd like a helix. Yeah.

Dave 42:19

Um, well they're curled like a helix.

Cameron 42:23

Yeah, ah and that is dragon law placidus acts. 1 of the coolest things in elder ring because he's just King Gettera kinda and I love that I love this guy so much still. Ah yeah.

Dave 42:32

Yeah.

Cameron 42:43

The coolest, the coolest is a giant 2 wo-headed dragon that originally as far as we can tell had 4 heads. There's 1 definite like neck stump on the body but there's also ah a talisman called old Lord's Talisman as I said earlier um the description talks about the ancient king whose seat is. You know at the heart of the storm beyond time but the actual image of it is placidda Sas with those double helix heads and 2 additional heads sticking out. Um so presumably at one point time he was a fourheaded dragon. Um.

There's a lot of speculation about him being like the elder lord before the golden order. Um, but then we have to start talking about like what does Eldon Lord actually mean and is that not a term specifically tied to the golden order and. It seems it might not be um, it could just be like the the military arm of whichever outer god is sort of controlling what's going on in the lands between kind of deal. Um, but placidda acts is either way extremely cool. Um, he is so crazy his fire and lightning and literally can transmute himself into those things at certain points and if I have you fought him properly? yeah.

Dave 44:11

Um, yeah I thought him I got him right before the second phase like on the I just did one run because it's I was screaming running jumping and.

Cameron 44:15

So right? yeah because the yeah.

Dave 44:26

Just saw like a message real close to the edge like huh and I looked at it and it's like oh there's a bunch of steps like that I can clearly probably jump down and I jumped down there and and rested my my tired bones and then was like well I guess this is a boss fight that I was not prepared for.

Cameron 44:29

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No.

Dave 44:46

And I think I had already used up a bunch of my um flasks and I was like well this is just going to go poorly and I still got him down to almost half-life on one go I'm like okay I can I can do this but the run is not fun to get here.

Cameron 44:49

Yeah that's pretty good. No, no, no, no, um, the the second phase I want I will say pretty worth going to see for yourself. Um, he just transmutes himself into like this cloud of ash and lightning. And occasionally materializes he sort of swoops all around the arena. It is very scary are very cool, kind of difficult and annoying to deal with as well. But super awesome. Just again this area aesthetically absolutely top notch. Um, yeah, ah, and if you defeat him his remembrance has the the information the dragon lord who sees lies at the heart of the storm. Beyond time is said to have been eld lord in the age before the earth tree once his god was fled. The lord continued to await its return. Um, so yeah, once the golden order came to town and kicked out the previous outer gods. Ah placidus acts was just hanging out in the remains of firemazulla.

Heads pointed towards the the outer universe waiting for signal sort of like ah like the fingers.

Dave 46:11

Yeah I mean he he sees sequestered like you can't you can't get here unless you went and like ignited the the front and the forge I mean there must be some other.

Cameron 46:17

And. So yeah, yeah.

Dave 46:29

There's other ways to get here or else we wouldn't have the Gods Canduos and a few other people just chilling here like there's got to be another path. Um, but that's how we got here. So it's still pretty isolated.

Cameron 46:31

Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh I'm just imagining that godskin do a like power shooting in on like their big skin robes because yeah, it's ah it's up in this color.

Dave 46:48

Ah I mean yeah, maybe they did that they wrote they rode the hurricane.

Cameron 46:54

Yeah, it's up in the sky if you can fly or otherwise catch the wind. You can probably get here. It's just we can't yeah yeah, oh godskinned Dragon There's There's a botswike for a dealc from software. Yeah.

Dave 46:57

Yeah, or they just hijacked a dragon I don't know. Um, that's disgusting.

Cameron 47:11

Can it can be the new callmet black flame and all ah yeah, look good. Yeah oh um, but yeah that that's placidda Sas for you. Absolutely awesome again, 1 of those nebulous things like is el lord before all this.

Dave 47:14

And impervious to almost anything because stupid godskin.

Cameron 47:30

So El Lord means something else than what we thought it is but in the end not super important. He's very optional. He's so optional that he's difficult to find if you're not paying attention. Um, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um.

Dave 47:42

He's off the path I mean you have to accidentally see it.

Cameron 47:49

And so that brings us to the actual main boss of this legacy duundeon which is malicath the black blade at the at the end of the critical path. You find a big Unbroken section of stair. Um, sort of in almost in the the Anallando style of this enormously huge staircase at the top of which is a draconic tree sentinel for your worries. Um I hate that guy so much. So.

Dave 48:17

Um, yeah I tried to fight him and you you just kicking my ass I was like I'm just going to run and I can see that that's a fog door So this is yep I Love it I Love this stupid Boss run.

Cameron 48:25

Yep yep, love this Dr of bos one I did eventually get rid of the tree sentinel but it took a long time. Um, he does drop the full tree sentinel arm set which is actually kind of fun because ah. The reason we have regular tree sentinels and draconic tree sentinels is that when the dragons attacked the golden order the tree sentinels rose up to defend the earth tree but then a bunch of them realized that oh the best way to defend the earth tree is to be like the dragons. Those are some tough guys. So we're going to become traconic sentinels.

Horay get get all the lightning powers and all the the teeth on our Shields and stuff. So yeah, um, you you can run straight past the tree sentinel or you can do your best to fight him either way past him. Is the fog gate with ah what is most necessary in this area. It's maliketh the black blade which is just great. Um, because ah, it's a reveal. It's it's a story reveal. Um, Eldon Ring has a long and proud tradition of characters going by multiple names. Ah and this is sort of the the grandest of those reveals because you walk through the door and the boss is the beast Clergyman. It's grant.

Ah, in his robe with his dagger shuffling around. Um if you've been doing his death root quest you will have already had to fight him a little bit so you kind of know that he does have moves. He can attack. Um, and if you've completed. Ah, the death request. It is most specifically the the boss title on the health bar just says beast clergyman but if you've finished garang's death request and give him all that delicious death root. He recognizes you here asks why you're doing this. Still obviously fights you. It's a little cify like that. Um, yeah, this this beast Clergyman halfway through the fight gives up on being restrained stabs himself in the hand and unseals the rune of death in the form of a sword which is. Again, super wicked transformation cut scenes and reveals that Grant was malicath the black blade the entire time. Yeah, it's always good. We've we've had Margaret and morgo. We've had other ones that are yet to show off actually.

Dave 51:23

Yeah.

Cameron 51:26

Um, there's ah, there's a few of them we got we got Renna and ranny and all that. But ah this this is I think personally my favorite just because it's so cool. Um, and it also links in with the. Network test stuff where one of the incantations I believe it was or one of the seals in the network test mentioned garank the beast clergyman and that he was so fierce in the past that his former name meant the death of the demigods and then that. Item description changed for the main release of the game because it was clearly a spoiler. Um, and this case it is Greg former name malllicath who is literally the physical incarnation of death for the gods and everyone else in the land between actually um. This is this is I love malicka's character here is the the blythe of um of Maric basically in the same way that that ah Ranny had blythe sort of assigned to her as a protector and a servant. Ah, malicathth fills that same role for America and she totally used him for it and said hey cool I need you to take the run of death from that glomide Queen mentioned earlier and I need you to seal it away in your own body and then I need you to go away.

So no one can get it and that's what he did poor thing then he went absolutely nuts and I don't blame him. Um because it's all his fault. He wasn't a vigilant enough watchdog and Ranny managed to nick.

Dave 53:00

Yes, and then he went crazy.

Cameron 53:16

Just a portion of the rune of death off of him before he had sealed it away properly and that led to the whole event sort of collapsing the Golden order as it stands.

Dave 53:25

Yeah, which is crazy so she just like clipped his nails.

Cameron 53:32

Essentially yeah, we're kind of we're going to clip that we're going to clip the dog snails a little bit and just use that to brew up Murder knives for Gods. Ah um, yeah, Ah, as. As garank in that first half of the fight. He's not insane like in terms of a fight. He's Difficult. He stabs very quickly casts a lot. But yeah.

Dave 53:55

Um, there it. It's yeah, it's totally doable like I I could consistently get him to the second phase and just be destroyed immediately every time.

Cameron 54:10

Yeah, yeah, because then the the the risk is like you go from dodging these quick dagger strikes and the occasional like rock throw Miracle casts da um, actually yeah.

Dave 54:15

I I love that because it's not even a if you look at it I don't It's not a miracle I mean it's not so for him. It's not a spell. He's just like ripping the ground up because he's freaking a beast. He's huge.

Cameron 54:28

Yeah, yeah for us, they're miracles because we're recreating what he can do naturally I Guess Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 54:33

Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's him because it's it's beast. It's all the beast moves so that's just what his ah body does like I can just tear the ground into pieces and throw it at you and Chuck rocks at you.

Cameron 54:46

Fortunately, he doesn't use the healing ones or the extra resistance ones because that'd be a bit much. But yeah in phase two he ah yeah, pulls out the black blade which is this enormous jagged like red and black Obsidian sword. Um, and again, super great.

Dave 54:51

Yeah, um.

Cameron 55:05

Cut scene for this because his dagger hilt stabs into a seal on his hand and becomes the hilt of the sword as he pulls it back out. He's all armored. We get to see him in his full form without without the robe covering everything up. And then he leaps fifty feet into the air does a triple somersault and shoots a beam of red death energy at you and you die. Ah it.

Dave 55:30

Yeah I don't um, mechanically of this fight when it stops the cut scene your back is to a pillar every time and I kept backing up into it and getting stuck because the camera would not turn and then.

Cameron 55:32

But yeah, m. Yeah, no, but.

Dave 55:46

I would get killed in immediately. Nothing okay like I understand what to do I Just have to not go backwards like to the side.

Cameron 55:56

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, um I hope that he attacks them? Yeah yeah, ah yeah, this is this fight could be a lot more rough.

Dave 55:59

Or if you have their summons still there. You maybe they pulled the ag group for just a second.

Cameron 56:13

If it was in the style of a lot of the other double phase bosses where it's a full health bar and then another full health bar because yeah, yeah, they yeah they're like at 50% transformation happens. You don't have to do two full health bars.

Dave 56:18

Yeah, they they give you at least that grace.

Cameron 56:29

Even just psychologically I think that's better because you feel like you're not losing progress when when he switches over. Um, but yeah, he uses the black blade. He becomes super acrobatic are there are pillars dotted all around this arena and. A bunch of his moves involve leaping from pillar to pillar like hanging off of them and shooting in mid-air. Um, he can do the he can do a judgment cut which is great to slam the sword into the ground and a million cuts in like a big Aoi around him. You do ground explosions and every hit of this red energy locks off a portion of your maximum health and inflicts damage over time and that is the fire of destined death which is nuts.

Dave 57:15

Um, yeah, yeah, it just means you're going to die now that you've been cut.

Cameron 57:21

Yeah, pretty much was like it's Destiny. You're gonna keep getting hurt this. This is the thing that caught me the most I think is I would be low health get hit by that and survive. And go god I got a dodge away then I can drink and halfway through the dodge animation I would run out of hit points.

Dave 57:39

Yeah, that happened a lot like way more than I was getting upset. Okay like I this is fine but I can get out of the way but I got I got nicked and it killed me.

Cameron 57:44

Um, yeah, ah it takes it takes a lot of it adapting. Yeah yeah, absolutely. Um, this is where the the blasphemous claw item comes in.. It's very helpful I'm sorry you didn't have it once I worked out how to use it I got him I think in 3 goes essentially whenever he's firing off those big projectiles. It works almost like um when you fight manus the pendant it puts out that little shield that reflects.

Dave 58:19

And.

Cameron 58:21

Basically it's that same animation here basically and you can reflect it. There's the big Paris soundund. He just falls out of the air and freaks out. Um and you can just beat him up until he does it again and then you go reflects. Ah so I'm glad the item is there.

Dave 58:35

Surface.

Cameron 58:40

To like help out for people who are having lots and lots of trouble with him I I know you managed to beat him Dave You didn't need it. You should be proud of that. Um, it's very obtuse to get yeah I But you you beat him. You should be proud of it. Um, it's It's a choose to get.

Dave 58:49

Um, well I I summoned people the thing was I it just I don't even think it just want I saw a person so it took repeated tries because what would end up happening is.

Cameron 58:59

Yeah.

Dave 59:07

Think it only took like 4 or 5 tries the 2 or 3 of the people took more that um a few of the people I'd summon them and then they would just try to go fight the the sentinel I'm like please don't do that just run past please. Um.

Cameron 59:07

So. No, just run past. We don't need the sentinel stuff. So.

Dave 59:23

And they didn't so I had a lot of times where I ran into the arena and then turned around and the person just like returned to their world like no come on and then other times we'd run in and they would get bodied immediately and I was like well now I'm stuck with a buffed boss like that happened a lot and.

Cameron 59:26

Written. Yeah yep, yep.

Dave 59:42

Like what I just tried again. What am I I can't I can't summon my mimic because I'm locked out of it with the the furling finger so it was just a luck of the draw of finding someone that like I think the less cool.

Cameron 59:47

Yeah.

Dave 1:00:01

Ah, person looks that you're summoning the better there might be like you know it's a gamble you you don't know or I look at their names like there was someone's like helpful, helpful, helpful helping person or something I was like this would be great and then they died like no I think I died actually that I felt bad.

Cameron 1:00:04

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I help person. Yeah, um.

Dave 1:00:21

Um, and then whoever else I someone had like twin dragons bone tooth or whatever the big giant hammer things are and I was like okay he he bodied malik it wasn't even funny. Ah he was in the middle of the barrage of all the thousand cuts and it wasn't doing anything I was like oh.

Cameron 1:00:25

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh wow.

Dave 1:00:43

Okay I don't know how much Hp they are bringing to the game but must be a lot because you get you get? um, a lot of your stats just get like crunched down when you when you coop in.

Cameron 1:00:46

Um, as much as they can. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, you get crunched down to the the sumner's level basically while still having enough to still wield your stuff which I think is an interesting way to do it? Um, but yeah, yeah, he's he's He's crazy this this dog is going Nuts. And he's going To. He's going to kill you? Um, yeah, Oh yeah, oh my God yeah.

Dave 1:01:15

Yeah, it's a good fight I mean it's visually. It's cool I like what it's doing um I hadn't finished garan stuff so I just thought that there was more than one beast Clergyman because it's Clergyman sounds like it's um, a title.

Cameron 1:01:27

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a group. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.

Dave 1:01:32

Like there's more than one I Me's huge, but that doesn't preclude anything really, There's other huge guys around. Yeah.

Cameron 1:01:43

Um, yeah, there's this. It's one of those things that you got to do all the content to make it as clear as possible I'm just like no I didn't do that personally either but did did he try and fight you at any point before this.

Dave 1:01:50

Yeah I think I'd only given like 4 or 5 death roots. No, you have to give 8 or something you have to give quite a few death roots and then he then he goes goes bonkers because you gave him to many and he needs that death juice.

Cameron 1:02:02

Because I think 5 I think for that oh I thought it was way that I don't know my I must have been close. Yeah forgets himself. He said death juice um, yeah, visually absolutely incredible. Um, this also settles a very long-term debate again in the community where ah malicath was in like the second trailer for the game which again while they showed that at all he was like a split second shot but everyone was going is that a line or a wolf. And that debate raged on forever. Um, we get our answer. He's a wolf. He's he's like the wolf because again empirerians get assigned like wolf bodyguards for whatever reason. Um, yeah, and you can you can defeat him.

And when you do as he's Dying. You ask like why? why? What do you need to kill why do you need to Unleash death into the universe basically because um, that's what's happening. Ah the the big political drawer of the Golden order was Queen America Went. We're going to make death. Not happen Anymore. You're going to live forever and even if your body is destroyed will put your soul through the Earth tree so you can be like reincarnated safe I'm still not 100% on the mechanics of that. Um, yeah. And we've done this. We've done this. We've locked death away I put it in my dog and then I sent my dog off to the kennel. No one can find the dog. It's safe exactly exactly death gone and killing malichu.

Dave 1:03:42

Um, and no one wants to wade through blood swamp to go find him.

Cameron 1:03:51

Releases death into the universe in the form of this wave of Red fire. Very cool. Um, because the the Earth tree was burning but not burning through it needed a stronger flame. Um, it's not.. It's not expressly said but that appears to be the intent for why we had to go to pharammazulla and also unleash the ruin of death. Essentially we're killing the Earth tree but the urge tree can't die. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly So we've we've unbound death.

Dave 1:04:19

You're you're making it possible for the urge you to die because before it was immortal.

Cameron 1:04:29

So that we can get rid of the Earth tree to get inside the Earth tree which is the final The final point of this whole quest. Um, but we get a very un-fro soft cut scene Basically where we get a a sweeping view across the lands between and a bunch of.

Dave 1:04:30

Yeah.

Cameron 1:04:47

Like enemy Npcs basically looking up towards the uy and going. Oh what's happening and the the narrator going death is unleashed the urge Tree burns, Etc, etc. Um. Very different from their style. But I think it's it's Fun. They're trying to be more forward with the story of what's actively happening still being obscure as hell with their law. But yeah, yeah, um, exactly.

Dave 1:05:06

It Yeah, it's obtuse but it's giving a little more to being gracious.

Cameron 1:05:16

And you touch that that red flame run of death and you teleport again to the actual final zone of the game you wake up in lane dell and it's about five hundred feet deep in Ash because the earth tree is on fire and just raining ash down on the world.

Dave 1:05:36

Yeah, and I I feel like there's more to it than that I think there's some time stuff going on too because the City's not just buried. It's like partially obliterated and it's not just ash. It's like you can't get to.

Cameron 1:05:36

That's ah yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I fully believe that as well. Um, again, the fire missolla is timey wiy.

Dave 1:05:54

The buildings aren't there anymore. Yeah.

Cameron 1:06:03

Wibbly wobbly nonsense something's going on when you get back to the real world like you know every every minute in farmaoola was 10 years in the land between or something like that.

Dave 1:06:12

Um, well I mean the the time stuff's been weird the whole game like whatever's going on is not on like a linear path. But um, we forgot it's.

Cameron 1:06:15

Yeah. Written.

Dave 1:06:27

We forgot that those sad boy hours we have to roll back a little bit because we yes.

Cameron 1:06:28

Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, we got to finish up a quest on card I don't want to finish this Quest makes me sad. Um, so hey you remember your old friend.

Dave 1:06:37

I Know it makes me sad too.

Cameron 1:06:46

Ah, warrior jar iron fist Alexander he's here he made it here somehow I'm not sure how exactly um grit determination I mean ah because the last we saw for me was essentially seeking.

Dave 1:06:55

Grit determination. He made punched his way to faromazoula.

Cameron 1:07:05

Hotter flames to reforge his shell and get rid of the cracks in it. We found him baing in lava. Yeah, and then the next hottest flame would maybe be the forge of the fire giants. So it's I assume he probably just.

Dave 1:07:09

Yeah, the the Mac The magma wasn't taught enough.

Cameron 1:07:23

Climbed into it and rolled down inside and then the flames went you go to I woke up in faramazola going. Oh God Why? um yeah, ah so he's hanging out here and.

Dave 1:07:26

Um, ah yeah I think he was probably just like trying to heal himself in and zoop.

Cameron 1:07:42

And you have a little chat with him about you know Wow your real cool Warrior alexander You got all the way out here. You did all these crazy things and he go and then he goes but I'll never be as good as you So I'm going to have to eat you if I want to be as good as you is the conclusion. He basically comes to. Um, and he politely challenges you you know he's got he's he's going to push himself if he wins he's going to eat you? Um, he knows. He's not going to win but he's got to try.. That's what's important to him. Um, and you have a very easy fight against alexander unless he hits you with. The yeah, the ring out and Smash style just throws you off the Glyph. Ah.

Dave 1:08:27

So that's not what happened to me this fight was really really hard. Um, because I was using the blasphem the blasphemous blade and fire does nothing to him nothing.

Cameron 1:08:32

Ah, okay. Um, right? yeah.

Dave 1:08:45

So I mean at least they didn't heal him but I couldn't use any of the big attacks which was like the giant flame blast didn't didn't do anything and I've been using that for knockback on everything for the entire game and the blade itself while I think it was I think I added it like 800

Cameron 1:08:51

Mm Yeah button m. So Wow see yeah right I was experimenting with a hammer at the time which might have been what was going on in that case. Blunt Damage is probably not great for.

Dave 1:09:04

Damage It was doing chip damage I was not hurting him at all. It just took so long. Could be.

Cameron 1:09:22

Ah, jar. Um, yeah I found I found him easy except for the first 2 times where he threw me off the arena. Um, but yeah.

Dave 1:09:29

Oh yeah I didn't get checked out I Just I mean I think I've eat him from the it might have been the first go but it was just real like I think I had to fight place. Um, yeah, it just it just wasn't fun. It was I mean it's a good fight. You know.

Cameron 1:09:35

Yeah, yeah, no, it's sad, but it's sad you don't want to do it? yeah.

Dave 1:09:46

and and I felt bad doing the fight in the in the first place so it could have been because I couldn't see where he was at through the veil of tears.

Cameron 1:09:58

God ain't that the truth. Um, yeah like I love I Love Alexander This is this is the end of him not technically the end of his of his. Um. Quest because you you defeat him. He shatters as all jars as all jars must and you get a shard of alexander which is a talisman that boosts your skills. Ah, damage by 15 % which is not bad. It's pretty pretty good honestly. But you also get Alexander's innards which is lovely. it's delightful um it's it's some champion stuff.

Dave 1:10:40

Hey that's that's some champion goop right? there. That's every every thing that he's run into that was really really powerful. He just put it in the fot.

Cameron 1:10:47

Absolutely. Stuffed in there. Yep the jars contain dregs inherited from those who came before thus are warriors passed from jar to jar carrying dreams of greatness. Um, so this this links in with the jar band. Over in Jarburg um, you can take Alexander's inards and give it to jarband to help them grow up into a big strong jar in the future which will give you another talisman which is the companion jar talisman.

Dave 1:11:10

Yeah.

Cameron 1:11:25

Which raises the potency of throwing pots by 20% and is the cutest talisman in the game because it's just a little pot with arms and legs.

Dave 1:11:34

Yeah I think if you have that towels in and then put the um the pot on your head. You're good at throwing stuff at that point.

Cameron 1:11:40

And you're real good at real good at fire bombing. Yeah um and I love the the companion jar talisman because it's a talisman given by the jars to their friends though the jars are brought to life by human flesh and blood. They are all rather kindly folk. Perhaps they were made to be better than their inwards which is cute I like the jars. It's absolutely like Trus from software to make one of the cutest npc designs.

Dave 1:12:04

It's great. It's disgusting but but very cute.

Cameron 1:12:15

And make it also absolutely horrific as soon as you figure out what's going on like I love alexander and immediately after the fight with Redan you see him like combing the beach for bodies and he's like I've just got to stuff some of these corpses in me I'll be writer's rayer. You go what the hell is alexander i. Loved you? yeah. And then you realize he's still great. These just kind of grows. yeah yeah I mean yeah, I'm not explicitly shoving like a war hero's corpse down my throat in order to become physically stronger though I could.

Dave 1:12:36

I Mean we're full of goop too. So aren't we all just jars. But you could.

Cameron 1:12:54

And don't think I do quite as well as alexander did God Yeah man. Um, so yeah, that's that's more or less farmaulla. It is absolutely gorgeous. Aesthetically Wraps up a couple of quest lines um has.

Dave 1:12:58

Her.

Cameron 1:13:13

2 very cool bosses and 1 very annoying boss and that's most of the information about it like as for specifics about the city itself. It's basically no no information um specifics about the beast man civilization. Not not really anything. Ah.

Dave 1:13:30

Now. Um, they are sent to guard the dragons or they send their heroes to go guard them because some of them have the lightning power the stupid red lightning.

Cameron 1:13:32

Yeah. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, that that's like that's it. They're like a servant race for dragons or something I guess since this is like ah a subsection of Dragon civilization. That's held out. Basically.

Dave 1:13:46

Yeah. Um, yeah, it feels like they're a sort of analog to the misbegotten that are that are kind of guarding the the come on trying to kill him the the forge.

Cameron 1:14:00

But yeah, that might be a way to put it. So. Um, yeah.

Dave 1:14:11

Except they just got too close and touched it and became weird.

Cameron 1:14:14

Yeah, yeah I can see that yeah it's It's interesting that there is sort of this common theme of animalistically traded creatures being like servants of. The the higher powers literally like yeah the Golden order has its misbegotten. Um that you know ah quashed Rebels or or even the demihumans sort of are under the carrions. They've been taught a bit of magic and then sort of branched off on their own.

Dave 1:14:46

Yeah.

Cameron 1:14:51

And then you have the beast men who served the dragons as far as we can tell and then the the whole thing with shadows and literally a wolf person being given to the chosen of the gods and that kind of stuff.

Dave 1:15:03

Well I mean there's that there's a lot. There's the yeah, all the ants are I think serving noxstella like well no I mean they're well they're mounts some of them.

Cameron 1:15:15

Not willingly interestingly enough so there no there there was um, it was zuli. The witch did a video on this. There's a very specific set of circumstances where if you manage to dismount an ant rider. The ant will go for the rider first.

Dave 1:15:29

Okay, oh yeah, that's even better than.

Cameron 1:15:37

Yeah, um, yeah it it is ah run on the team.

Dave 1:15:38

Well I mean that's the that's the same for the other things too. They not everything is a willing ah supplicant. They're coerced or something happened to them like the misbecon or twisted into that form.

Cameron 1:15:43

M. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:15:56

So yeah, there's weird hierarchies all over the place. Oh and all of the issues with the omens.

Cameron 1:15:58

So. And and the um and the disciples of Rot The insect people Worship Millenia of all people. Um, yeah, praying praying to that higher power bug guys got to love them. Ah yeah.

Dave 1:16:14

Oh yeah, those weird Bug Bug guys.

Cameron 1:16:25

Eldon Ring is a story about social hierarchies and why they're bad for people. Um, honestly that doesn't feel like a high tech.

Dave 1:16:31

Yeah, no I don't think that that is I think I think we we align ourselves maybe more with a volcano manner each passing day.

Cameron 1:16:43

Burn it all down the come as one? Yeah yeah is reichard a communist icon the sort of the all in 1 He might be oh god ah.

Dave 1:16:48

He might be.

Cameron 1:16:57

I Think that's probably it unless you have any further thoughts about farmers whole.

Dave 1:16:58

That Yeah I think that'll that'll do us for this episode.

Cameron 1:17:04

And okay, let's do a quick smidge of admin then um, finding people on Twitter dave where can people find you online in general but specifically we tend to do Twitter handles.

Dave 1:17:17

Yeah, you can find me primarily on Twitter at sentinon underscore plus and that will be in the show notes you can find the show itself on Twitter at Mon Underscore d monster and our our.

Cameron 1:17:24

So.

Dave 1:17:34

Wayward cohosts. You can find on Twitter ah Adam is at Adam Buchery and that'll be in the show notes too and Leonard is at Dr Fastt is dead on Twitter but also on Youtube.

Cameron 1:17:39

Q. Yeah, yes, and uminnox productions also on Youtube I believe for Leard yeah, you can find me absolutely on Twitter at night underscore twiten that's night without a k you can come check out some picks of my wedding because that happened and.

Dave 1:17:51

Yes.

Cameron 1:18:05

That's on there. Hooray Um, and otherwise photos of my cat complaints about Australian in politics and the five day weekend. That's currently happening all kinds of things is it's been a weird week like.

Dave 1:18:21

It Yeah I can imagine. Um.

Cameron 1:18:24

See see Dave we we had Thursday off as ah, the national day of mourning for Queen Elizabeth the second and on Monday and on Monday we have a public holiday for the queen's birthday. So we.

Dave 1:18:32

Um, yeah, that's that happened. Huh that yeah I guess you still celebrate that that's.

Cameron 1:18:41

A bunch of people are taking the Friday off well because it's celebrated on a different day in every state in Australia because Australia is a terrible and weird place and ours just so happen to line up four days after we mourned the passing of the monarch. So I guess technical is the king's birthday now. Um you. But the the primary thing is everyone in my state is aiming to have a five day week time.

Dave 1:19:03

Yeah, because why not.

Cameron 1:19:07

Ah, why not and why not indeed? Um, thank you very much for listening to us talk about even more elden ring. There's still a surprisingly large amount of the game to go considering we've just hit the final area. Um, there's still plenty to talk about.

Dave 1:19:23

Yep.

Cameron 1:19:25

We'll cover that in future. Do we have something specific for next episode if people want to research ahead or is that not sentenced.

Dave 1:19:32

Yeah, next episode is ah episodes 5 through 10 of infinity train. No 6 through 6 through 10 the second half of the first season.

Cameron 1:19:40

Okay, 6 through 10 excellent I yes, yes so yeah, watch that if you can find it anymore the the creator the crew son abson. Okay.

Dave 1:19:52

Yeah, if you can um, good luck. It's on it's on Amazon prime yeah, you can buy it or rent it.

Cameron 1:19:59

That's good I will see I'll see if I can do that or if I have to resort to the traditional australian method of media. We're not allowed to say what that is legally Australia um, but yes anyway, thank you very much for listening to us talk about on ring if you want.

Dave 1:20:04

Yeah.

Cameron 1:20:17

To keep up for next week go watch the rest of infinity train wherever you can find it and we'll see you all later bye everyone Apple there we go.

Dave 1:20:27

Bye folks.