Episode 201: Salt those Ghosts! [Ghosts]

Cameron 12:38

Um God I that the truth. No more album rings until the dlc and. Ah, until we start cabinet of curiosities.

Dave 12:56

Done We're free. We loved it and then it's done. It's on the radar. There's there's other stuff I think in between now and then there's there's a lot of stuff on the list on the to do, but they're all individual smaller things. So um.

Cameron 13:05

Ah, oh yeah, yeah for sure this is yeah m I picked out crimson peak the 2015 guillerramo deltaro gothic

Dave 13:14

You you picked the topic this time. What did you find for us.

Cameron 13:24

Romanced horror thing mostly because I have actually never seen it and I wanted to see when it came out in life just kind of kept rolling past the idea of me watching this movie and I went. You know what? it's definitely got ghosts in it. It's it's fitting enough. Let's see if we can. Ring something out of this blood soaked clay that is this film. So yeah, ah jumping right in it is yeah it's crimson peak. It's starring. Everyone's favorite Tom Heddleston ah alongside little. Mia Wasakowska who was actually an australian actress good for her. Ah Jessica Chastain Charlie Harneman Jim Beaver so pretty pretty cool cast and I didn't know anything about it beyond the basic. It's gothic horror with ghosts when I picked this. So I was actually pleasantly surprised by how it sort of panned out. Um, how about you have you seen this one before.

Dave 14:31

Um, I'm in the same boat I had so for some reason I did the first time I watched it I watched it today well in in pieces I watched it yesterday today. But um I yeah hadn't watched it I I bought the.

Cameron 14:36

Yeah. N.

Dave 14:47

Bluray when it came out. It was on my like immediate like oh I need to watch I'd love all the stuff that this is doing and I yeah I was just real real busy. Um I think I just twenty fifteen I was finishing up.

Cameron 14:52

Okay. But.

Dave 15:06

My degree So I was busy that was like final semester or something so I just did it. It fell aside um and then there's like I think blood born and some other stuff came out around the same time. So I was busy.

Cameron 15:08

Ah, yeah, well that yet that that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is true. Oh my god wow god blab born was a while ago. Yeah, Twenty Fifteen oh my god blood bone happened.

Dave 15:25

Around then um I think that was blood born. Actually yeah, that's what happened Bloodborne um, supplanted my other gothic. Love yeah so that's what happened.

Cameron 15:35

It was the only gothic horror we needed that that year mm I mean I can't blame him. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 15:42

Crimson Peak was supplanted by a bloodborn um on Brand we are so on brand. Yeah, ah yeah, so like you um I remember the trailers I but but other than that didn't have any engagement with it other than people. Ah.

Cameron 15:54

M.

Dave 16:02

And think in our community. It's been like on the fence like people like it or they don't and I think that that's weird because this was a lot of fun I don't know.

Cameron 16:06

Um, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

Dave 16:19

I'm really not sure what there is in there to not like other than I can say maybe ah maybe some things are like it's red at R but it doesn't feel like it should be.

Cameron 16:23

Ah I mean the. Yes, no like it's a bit. It's a bit bloody. But yeah, yes, yeah I Honestly think the R um.

Dave 16:37

Is is my take. It's It's the most like Soft r.

Cameron 16:48

Which I think is equivalent to MA 15 here might be just because of the the depicted incest I guess like that and that I can see that turning some people off. But yeah, yeah.

Dave 16:58

Um I guess I the thing is that seems thematic So I wouldn't even like that's just like gothic romance baggage. No, it's the the theme is there. Yeah it I mean it is.

Cameron 17:08

Yeah, it's it's not massively explicit in in most sense I mean I mean I mean you do see Tom Hitelston's whole ass I guess ah.

Dave 17:15

But yeah, some some nippage. Um I don't know it didn't It didn't feel like transgressive to me I was just like oh well, that's a plot twist that we saw coming.

Cameron 17:20

But yeah, it's It's no, no it all felt very within its lane. Yeah, oh yeah I will I will say this for it. This is not a massively.

Dave 17:33

Like or mourning.

Cameron 17:37

Surprising film. Ah.

Dave 17:40

No it. Okay, so I guess if you're going to level criticism at it I would say that I didn't yeah I wasn't surprised by anything. Um and I don't.

Cameron 17:43

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 17:55

Think it's doing anything new. It's just being like faithful to a bunch of like older films and and tropes.

Cameron 17:56

No, no yeah yeah, yeah, it Yeah, it's very faithful to its sort of genre and style and I mean there's not always anything wrong with something being.

Dave 18:09

Um, yeah.

Cameron 18:15

Sort of buy the numbers I think that's part of why I enjoyed this is I could see the stones being set out in front of me and like yeah, we'll just keep walking along this path isn't a nice path to look at. It's enjoyable I don't think it's you know gonna change the world in 20 years and become a cult hit. Or anything like that. Um, it's definitely not. Yeah, it's not doing anything wild or particularly innovative. No. No exactly? Um, but yeah, you know it's just good is it's a by the numbers gothic romance horror with a good cast and.

Dave 18:41

Um, it's not like the changeling you know.

Cameron 18:52

Really great costuming and set. Yeah.

Dave 18:54

Um, the sets sold it like that's just it. That's the best part of the movie like the Allevda Hall is just fantastic.

Cameron 19:00

Yeah, no I'll definitely pay that out. Oh my God Yeah I want I kind of want like an until dawn style game set entirely in that house because I think it could be really good. Yeah.

Dave 19:16

Um, I mean has the mind. It has weird freaky bloody clay. It's like that's already spooky without ghosts. It's just like that's a yeah, you don't want to be there but you also want to be there.

Cameron 19:20

Yeah, it's got all the great elements of this perfect horror house. Yeah I will say yeah so very early on in the movie. The the Lee character Edith. Says about a story that she's writing that it's not a ghost story. It's a story with a ghost in it and I I can't can say that is sort of the resonating theme of this film because this film would be almost as good without any of the ghosts in it or if.

Dave 19:53

Um, it literally doesn't have to have them in there like they they don't do anything be reminders of the past that. Yeah I mean they're they're they're just they're literally.

Cameron 19:55

Yeah, which I think is kind of the point. Yeah, they are present to sort of like give the slightest the slightest of context Clues Bare minimum.

Dave 20:11

Digging up the past they they're just a memory. They're showing what had happened.

Cameron 20:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly which I think is really interesting thematically like they're not ever actively malicious. It's just people see them and assume malicious intent which does really. Suit this like the the ghosts aren't actively trying to hurt any of the characters. They are just kind of there and really creepy really like actively evil looking in a couple of cases. Um, but yeah, the yeah.

Dave 20:47

Um, yeah, they just say edith like I think she says that she's like I you know there are ghosts but people are worse. Ah I maybe paraphrasing? Um, yeah.

Cameron 20:55

Yeah, yeah, something like that.

Dave 21:02

Or or her I think the closing monologue of the film is um, her saying that there's ghosts and they're if you die and you have like super strong like emotion like that's tied up in everything.

Cameron 21:14

Yes, Mm Yes mm.

Dave 21:20

That's what carries forward. So it's not so much like ah, um, a malicious or even the entity is only the emotions like it's that yeah.

Cameron 21:32

Yes, sort of manifesting as best it can yeah which we do see throughout the film. Um like the majority of the entities. The ghosts that we see are these terrifying horrible things. Because most of them are manifesting a deeply negative emotion and the the most human ghost we see right near the end is one that is sort of more tied up in a neutral deposit sort of love-ish emotion I'm not sure exactly what note. That particular goes hidden. But it's just it's just the guy remorse is good. Yeah, it's it's not like terror or anything. Yeah yeah, um, yeah, the the split second synopsis of this film is ah Edith our main character is a writer.

Dave 22:06

The remorse or they think it's remorse. It's just like regret.

Cameron 22:24

She's and she's a buffalo american heirss to a steel workers company and she meets Tom Hitddleston who is she meets Tom Middledelston he is just Tom Heelson ah no it's it's a Lord Sharpe I believe Thomas Sharpe

Dave 22:33

It just means Tom Hitelston yeah Yeah sir Thomas Sharpe he's a he's a baronet that everyone just keeps ragging him because is it is like the shittiest the most Minicule title. Yeah I've got something I'm a landed. Yeah, it's not a good patch. But.

Cameron 22:44

Sir Thomas Sharp yeah he's he's not a not a real baron I have one patch of land I've got a square foot in Scotland. Oh yeah, it's a horrible batch.

Dave 22:59

You know I got one.

Cameron 23:03

Ah, he he's coming around essentially fundraising for his clay mine because his estate is sort of rooted in this blood red awful Clay clearly cursed liquid. Um, but it's valuable makes really good bricks in yeah in or is like.

Dave 23:15

Um, it's very rich. It's rich in minerals.

Cameron 23:22

I honestly thought the twist would be that not that he was murdering people for money but that were murdering people to make the clay better or something that the 1 bit' that surprised me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 23:30

I Mean that would have been a fun twist. There was there was some other stuff that I thought um well I think we'll get into it. So yeah, go ahead and wrap up the synopsis. It's not much.

Cameron 23:41

No, they they have a meat cute. He's very sweet and british and he's you know, interested in her writing and things like that. Um her father doesn't approve of this essentially bribes him to leave and leave her alone and like thoroughly break her heart to make sure. She doesn't ever think of going to England to look for him. He does so and then her father is murdered and the only person left take comfort in is Thomas Sharpe and they are very swiftly married and head back to Cumberland in England to the ah not adderall hole because that's a medication. Alladae. Thank you? Sorry oh god yeah um, alllidale hole which is a terrible terrible place. Um, she she gets there. She meets.

Dave 24:23

Um, alllerdale I mean Adderall may have helped the problem.

Cameron 24:38

Ah, while she know she meets. She's reunited with ah Thomas ' sister Lucille Thomas and lucill the both the owners of the land. The ones who live in the house and it's an incredibly creepy and awful place. You know? um, but the the family's very nice. The the absolutely decrepit. Literally sinking into the mines below it. A house is fine. We can live with this. We've just got to use the money from your estate to fix the digging machine to make more clay and as time goes on and things get spooky and spookier Edith gets sicker and sicker. Living in this house until it turns out that she's actually being poisoned and this is sort of the the modus operandi of this duo Thomas and Lucillle is Thomas seduces a wealthy heiress and marries. Ah they use the money to fund the mining efforts. On the land and Lucille kills off the wife and then they just hush it up cover it up is totally never happened and he goes and finds another rich lady to essentially steal money from ah to in this in this attempt to sort of build. The life for him and lucile and the late in the film. The the big absolutely not seen revealers that lucile and Thomas are lovers because they have only ever had each other.

And it's the gothic romance and that's the kind of thing that ah often pops up in gothic tropes is that sort of forbidden and kind of taboo style of love whether it's between people and monsters or relatives and things like that is sort of. 1 of the hallmarks of horrid's twisted. Love I guess.

Dave 26:31

Yeah, and that's what Lucille like spends her time monologuing about like what that does and why it's there. Um, and in in genre that idea of you know it's it's classist and.

Cameron 26:35

Um, yes m. And yeah is to really keep it in the family.

Dave 26:49

You have to keep the money in the money and the way to do that is to keep it in the family and a way to do that is to keep really keep it in the family. Keep them keep the bloodlines pure and we even see that that didn't work out because they had a um.

Cameron 27:00

Yeah, there's circulars they can get.

Dave 27:09

Malformed child from their union. Yeah.

Cameron 27:11

Yes, which did not survive. Yeah yeah, ah, yeah, and in the end you know Thomas has actually fallen in love with Edith throughout this and attempts to save her Lucille doesn't take this well and. Straight up murders him and then goes to murder Edith. There's a big knife versus cleaver fight in the frot frosted foggy machine yard and it's ended when Thomas's very very brand new ghost. Distracts lucile long enough for edith to cave ahead and with a shovel um Edith makes it out along with her friend. The doctor who came to check on her from America after he realized she was just transferring all her money to her husband's name incredibly quickly.

Dave 27:53

Yeah.

Cameron 28:00

Ah, and ah, that's sort of the end of it. The ghosts linger on in the house with Lucille's ghost now. Also inhabiting it. Um, and it's the that that classic sort of tragic but not not a bad ending in terms of like you know, Edith still here.

Dave 28:17

I mean eat this alive and Dr Charlie Hunham is probably going to do the thing he was intending to do the entire time was was proposed to her eventually if he doesn't die from his multiple wounds.

Cameron 28:19

Um, but she's not dead. Yes. Um, yes, yeah, exactly eventually. But if if the stab under the left armpit didn't get him. He'll survive the one in the actual abdominal gap. Yeah that there's a couple of safeish spots.

Dave 28:37

In his abdomen. Yeah now.

Cameron 28:46

Oh God What was it my my oh my forensic bilogies. You said you know it's never safe to get stabbed. But if you are getting stabbed aim for the front of your stomach so you can get it sideways across the front which obviously wasn't quite but.

Dave 29:02

Um, yeah, and then she um takes this whole experience and and writes her Crimson peak novel. It's in the credits.

Cameron 29:02

And yeah, yes, yes, writes the book Crimson peak which honestly wouldn't be a bad book. Be kind of very.

Dave 29:15

No.

Cameron 29:18

Circular in sort of a dracula-ish way almost I feel writing about a thing that happened to people by the people who who whoops it happened to yeah um, but yeah I'd read it I think it would be a smash hit in 19

Dave 29:30

It happened to yeah yeah, because the movies a um eighteen eighty seven so by a time everything was or no technically I'm sorry.

Cameron 29:37

2 or whenever she ends up publishing it. So yeah ish around there. Okay, yeah, yeah, sharp. Yeah yeah.

Dave 29:48

90 know one was when she meets Sir Thomas ' shop. Yeah, ah it didn't need the ghosts like they don't they serve the the the purpose they serve and.

Cameron 29:58

So I did yeah um.

Dave 30:05

Is also served by the wax canisters that they direct her to um, but that all the knowledge she gets is there like primarily it's she gets exposition dumped by the the recordings and the wax canisters.

Cameron 30:07

Oh yes, Yes, yeah, yeah, there already? Yes, yeah yeah, yeah, which I kind of really like because I know for.

Dave 30:24

No I like that a lot.

Cameron 30:27

I Know for a fact, there has to be a cut of this movie out there somewhere before they did all the Cg work where it's just you know she moves to this creepy English place that is constantly like howling and groaning and moaning just because it's this old sinking building and she has these night terrors. That are definitely not actually there but she feels as though they're real and the ghosts are literally not there because the set of the house is absolutely horrifying enough on its own and all the rest of the information as you said is provided. Throughout the film like she finds all the information she needs just by being a bit curious. Maybe a bit a bit imaginative and fanciful which as ah as a sort of horror Fantasy Writer. She should be um, it's It's good that it works like that because it leaves it to. Sort of up to the the imagination. Whether the ghosts are really real or if they're just you know all these traumatized characters experiencing things.

Dave 31:28

Um, there yeah I mean they're only for her. So with the exception of Lucille seeing um Thomas at the end. No one sees a ghost like no one else and they've never seen their mother like nothing.

Cameron 31:36

Thomas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely I mean yeah yeah, which.

Dave 31:46

They were like they even go How did she know about our mother.

Cameron 31:55

Yeah, it's it's really an interesting way to pose them again as these just just this links to the past that are potentially not even there could just be the the fantasy of ah of a frightened mind and the the only real. Linking one I think is the very first ghost which as a young child Edith's mother died of black cholera which I'm not sure is why there are different tears of cholera I always assumed. It was just cholera. Yeah me neither yeah um.

Dave 32:29

I didn't know that was the thing. Um that just cholera. So.

Cameron 32:34

Died died of the black cholera which is presumably the worst one and it's like the black death of cholera I guess and she as a young child experienced her first haunting where her mother's ghost came to her and again entirely non maliciously just very scary for a young child to see a. Partial corpse floating down the hallway whispered to beware of Crimson peak and that's sort of the only forward leaning part of the ghosts where she shouldn't have a reason to know that name at that age, etc, etc. But yeah.

Dave 33:07

Yeah, and then well it pops up again like it's like hey did you forget that thing I told you twenty years ago don't go to Crimson peak. Don't do you made me come back. You made me come back I going tell you don't do it again.

Cameron 33:13

Yeah, the ghost like don't do it. Don't do it. It's happening and I can feel it it I will say I do really love the ghost designs like they look so good.

Dave 33:28

Um, oh yeah, they're um, they're they're fantastic and as as always, um, some of the best like non cg or at least like Cg boosted stuff is um.

Cameron 33:31

Yes. So yeah, yeah.

Dave 33:45

Our our good old Doug because he always has to he has to work with ah Guillermo.

Cameron 33:49

Yeah, good old Doug look ah I could have told you just from the fingers that it was Doug working with Guillermo again because man those ghost hands are real good. But.

Dave 34:00

Um, yeah, um.

Cameron 34:04

Yeah, so stylistically they are you start with basically a Skeleton get a bit of flesh over the top and then just drape it with long flowing wisps and then make it semi-transparent like it seems to flicker in and out of being more solid depending on the lighting of the shot and the angle that kind of thing. It's a really interesting effect but the the overall design of like the long slender fingers on all of them and the the emphasis on like the skull is really great. Oh yeah.

Dave 34:26

Um, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of skull and man these are some goopy ghosts because they all were disposed. The bodies were disposed of in like vats of red clay that doesn't like it's cold there but the clay isn't harden. It's just wet.

Cameron 34:42

Red clay. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, it's yeah.

Dave 34:51

Like Drippy Wet I don't know why it doesn't seem like anything should be and they even go. They even go to say oh it's colder inside than outside. It's like no your basement like mine thing should be frozen over.

Cameron 35:01

Oh maybe maybe that? Yeah, maybe that's where all the central heating goes is to keep those 6 clay vats going.

Dave 35:08

I Don't know man I've I've dug in very very clay field so that does not melt in the the winter worst and but yeah, that's probably my favorite set I think is the clay thats just.

Cameron 35:15

Oh yeah, absolutely stick with my sandy soil. Oh it's so good.

Dave 35:27

It's so good because it looks the thing is the whole house. It looks like concept art like they I mean they just translated it 1 to 1 and you don't get that a lot of times you see oh that looks cool and they need to see concept art and go like man those would have been really good if they had a budget this is like though they had the budget and they made it look.

Cameron 35:32

Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, oh it is impeccable I love that we get glimpses of it initially like there. There's a very um personality filled elevator.

Dave 35:47

Probably just like the concept hurt.

Cameron 36:00

Goes up and down between the layers of the house and the first look we get at the basement is looking down the elevator shaft and you just see a hint of like those sort of cream. My brain wants to call them like asylum tiles like those those very square very cream Walt tiles ceramic yeah with just.

Dave 36:11

Yeah, it's like a ceramic ceramic tiles.

Cameron 36:19

It looks like blood that is the big thing with the clay is it just looks like slightly curdled blood Ica is a good term for it. Absolutely um and so it's like there's yeah it is so it. Um.

Dave 36:20

Um, yeah, it's like icar. Yeah, it's like blood or slime mold like red slime mold very wet.

Cameron 36:37

Yeah, it's like streaking down the walls and then you get an actual look at the basement layer later and it's just as bad. It's like 6 big well style vats in this long hallway of like cracked ceramic tiles and there's a pile of discarded luggage which is never a good sign.

Dave 36:55

No with the engraved like it's expensive has initials. Yeah, well not only that. But so logistically we know that the house is built on top of the mine I mean this happens. It's a thing. Um.

Cameron 36:55

Um, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah yeah.

Dave 37:11

But he has his excavator digging down like basically directly beneath the house like at an angle but it's it's going down into the more you dig out of there the more the house is just going to collapse because you're making a hole.

Cameron 37:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, unless that's like you can run the excavator and reverse to deposit clay back down somewhere. That's how they get it into the basement vats. But no yeah, fair enough I wouldn't know I'm not a machine guy.

Dave 37:27

Like a more of a bigger hole. Yeah, that's not. There's no way. No, that's just that's for digging. Yeah I mean I'm not either. But that's like I'm looking at it going. Yeah, you're not going to those are shovels. That's not not.

Cameron 37:45

Ah, he's got more experience than me. Yeah, this fair? Um, but yeah, it's it's like yeah that that is like sort of a moment of incongruity but I would also believe that at this point Thomas is just like yeah screw it make the house collapse quicker please tie to this.

Dave 37:53

Depositing pales. Um, well I mean he doesn't he doesn't want to be there. They don't he's getting all this money like from you know, 4 different investitures into arises and yeah.

Cameron 38:14

Yes, okay.

Dave 38:20

They don't have anything to show for it like the house is just trash. There's there's ah, there's a gaping. It's the skylight. No the roof just collapsed like in the in the entry way.

Cameron 38:22

No no, oh yeah, hole in ceiling. Yeah, ah oh God and that. And that bit of floorboards where when you step on it. The clay oozes out up from under it or that's a problem. Don't honestly it's surprising none of them have Pneumonia I Guess between.

Dave 38:39

Yeah, and he's like oh just don't worry. It's sinking like that's no, that's a problem like you can't live in this needs to be condemned like no one can live in this.

Cameron 38:56

That ah presumably there's mold everywhere. But.

Dave 38:56

Um, I mean yeah and there's well like all the tapestry or the the linens or whatever is gone because it's filled with billion mods.

Cameron 39:07

Um, oh yeah, but yeah, yeah, the only insect that lives here is the moth. No no.

Dave 39:13

Yeah, what does it eat it eats butterflies but no because there's not butterflies so you can't sustain those off. Yeah know they eat they eat your hopes and dreams.

Cameron 39:24

No. That feels about right? Honestly, Yeah I think.

Dave 39:31

Yeah, they don't have I mean they're just like they don't do anything they they their languid and Lucylle Lucille yeah she just plays the piano and then looks at like the old nineteen eighteen hundreds

Cameron 39:36

So yes. Yeah, yeah, they got the they got the Karma sutra with that special edging where you can. Yeah I'm impressed I've I've heard of that kind of thing I've never owned a book like that and kind of wish I did now that'd be fun.

Dave 39:48

Pornography books. Um, binding Yeah I mean that that was cool looking.

Cameron 40:04

Have little secret pictures Hidden on the pages. Ah man. Yeah, ah, but yeah, the the set Absolutely fantastic. Especially once winter starts really closing in I went.

Dave 40:10

Ah. Um, yeah.

Cameron 40:21

Yeah, when that when they first come it's it was really interesting because I went oh instead of a gravel road. They've got a clay road. How how um, how disgusting but also how very very um, very niche and very very in vogue for ah for.

Dave 40:28

How disgusting.

Cameron 40:39

Piece of land that the only value is the clay. It's sitting on um, have their little clay road to their house. But then the snow comes in and it's this perfect white blanket and they they explain that this place is actually called Crimson peak because the snow leeches or. Out of the clay and slowly over time turns blood red and from that point on once that first blanket of snow is down any pressure on the snow creates these vibrant like beautiful red blood stains. Essentially um.

Dave 41:13

Um, yeah, it's very like cainhurst it was. It's yeah.

Cameron 41:17

Oh it's It's so canehurst. Yeah I I would not have been surprised if like the ending of that film was one of those big ticks just came out from behind some of the machinery and started slurping. Ah yeah, yeah.

Dave 41:29

Yep, or that's just what Lucille became her ghost form.

Cameron 41:34

Oh God Oh yeah, it is. It is really visually striking. It's like that that red and white contrast can't be beat. Everyone knows Sin City and stuff like that. Yeah.

Dave 41:42

Um, yeah, no I mean even even the beginning like I Also really loved the um like the the bathhouse.

Cameron 41:50

And all yeah, that's a great set. It's really good. So.

Dave 41:58

Um, and I'm like I don't I don't know that you should be running a um like ah a phogram like in a steam thing I think your vinyl record. It's going to be all jacked up real fast.

Cameron 42:05

Mm they're in the most humid environment known to man mm but it sets the mood sets the mood. Yeah, where you get murdered.

Dave 42:13

Oh yeah, you get to play your terrible haunting music Why you shave yourself? yeah.

Cameron 42:23

Records to be murdered to best list in the New York Times ever ah

Dave 42:31

I did like that. Um it was miss Mr. Mr. Hood no name Holly Mr. holwly yeah, it was Burn Burn Gorman so he's um, he will.

Cameron 42:41

Yes, all Mr. Holley was great. M I love that guy.

Dave 42:49

In the light the last aren I think ah other thing I've seen him in was um Pacific Pacific realm.

Cameron 42:56

And he's in Pacific Room he's in um, torchwood. He's really great in torchwood. Yeah yeah, the show he's one of my favorite characters in that. Yeah.

Dave 43:00

Um, is he I haven't I haven't watched that that that's the show right? Oh yeah, that would be great that that's more of a period piece thing. So I liked him in this. He's just like smarmy.

Cameron 43:11

Ah, he's he's the perfect sort of New York private eye kind of guy with his little side burns and his bola hat. Yeah oh I'd love that Mr Holly investigates and always leaves just before a ghost shows up kind of show would be good.

Dave 43:16

Um, yeah I would've watched just a like a ah Mr holly show. Yeah, it may not even actually be looking for ghosts like he's doing other stuff but then there's like ghosts every time.

Cameron 43:29

It Oh yeah, yeah, they're out there. We just haven't seen any yet I would yeah be very much up for that. Um, but yeah, yeah, he's great and yet it is really.

Dave 43:36

I would I would watch that.

Cameron 43:46

Good that they put as much attention detail in the into the American sets as to the British set because like that that house is stunning. But then you're right like the bath house The office building the the cushing house. Yeah.

Dave 43:59

The cushing residence was pretty freaky and and it's the lighting. It's very claustrophobic but it's still a big space So that's always a fun trick like it's a large space but you only really ever see like the foyer and her her hallways because it's in like.

Cameron 44:07

Um, yeah, yeah, absolutely Yes, yeah yeah, it's a tight building. So.

Dave 44:18

New York so it's not a lot of space. But um, it's a lot of books like ah the library is like not it's just like the hallway like the upstairs like landing I think was the bookcases but it's it's it's it's it's.

Cameron 44:26

So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 44:37

Poorly lit as far as like for the characters but it's you know the lighting is well done So it it yeah it it just makes it feel really small and like spooky but it's still a bigger space. Yeah.

Cameron 44:44

It's well lit for horror. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really good and that like there is that tonal shift between like new american residents and this ancient english hall and stuff like that. But they're equally. Definitely equally spooky in their own ways like the the early stuff with Edith's mother's ghost was really good like the shadow coming out first and it remaining completely unlit right until it's in the room because of how the hallway lighting works is.

Dave 45:18

Oh yeah, it's like a real and like nosferratu just long fingers. You know at the edge of the hall end of the hall.

Cameron 45:24

Um, yeah, so good. Yeah yeah, I Really liked that ghost design I think the face was more fleshy except for the nose so it was still looked super Skull E is.

Dave 45:36

Ah. Yeah I mean it's it's the same feeling as like the angel of death in Hellboy like the the designs it. It's gu mogi toro does his own monster designs and they they have a look. Yeah, they all just look like Doug Jones I mean

Cameron 45:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knows what's up. Yeah people love it. Like if I had access to Doug Jones at will for my work I would design monsters for Doug Jones it makes sense to me. But yeah like I still like that there's distinctness between them as well like the the the mother ghost is.

Dave 46:00

Um, yeah, um, yeah.

Cameron 46:16

Very creepy but sort of it's It's all in black. It's not red obviously because she wasn't buried in a clay hat or anything. Um, and yeah, yes, yeah.

Dave 46:23

Yeah, she had nothing to do with the um Crimson Crimson I'm Crimson hers um Crimson beak

Cameron 46:32

But once we get to the Crimson peak ghosts while they have those unifying elements. They are all pretty distinct from each other which man is written.

Dave 46:39

Um, yeah, well um, part of the trivia I believe is that up until Crimson we get to um and dang it adderall now and now you got me saying it. Um, aladao hall.

Cameron 46:52

Alladdale yeah, there's like just that is that 1 ring and nothing else. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a really good touch. So.

Dave 46:55

Ah, the the color red isn't in the movie until you get there and then it's just there or dealing with ghosts or or if it's there. It's something that um like one of the sharps has like it's only to deal with people involved with the ghosts.

Cameron 47:09

Yeah, and yeah, yeah, absolutely and like um, ah I would like the the sharps mothers ghost I also really like because it has eyes and they they call this out. In the movie like Edith one of e the slides like her eyes were so like hateful and intelligent but it is really striking when the ghost is just following her down a hall and it's darkly lit and goopy red except for these really piercing eyes as if. It's running after her just yelling her a warning like telling her to get the hell out of here while she still can. But I mean I'd freak out too. Really good designs. Oh yeah, oh.

Dave 47:52

Yeah, and then when it comes out of the ground and it's just like ah but the ground is like it's swimming in the vat. It's just a real like oh yeah, that's that's not what you want chasing after you.

Cameron 48:02

It will absolutely not oh my God like that that is the main draw of the movie I think is like the sets are beautiful. It's beautiful people on beautiful sets and beautiful outfits and also the ghosts and the lighting still steal the show from that.

Dave 48:20

Yeah, yeah.

Cameron 48:22

To for me at least to a degree like yeah, it's it's incredible. Um, and then yeah we get to like at the end of the film. We've got Thomas Thomas's ghost is the least messed up because he's not buried anyway, yeah, he's just sitting in a chair.

Dave 48:36

Um, it's also like and not a good looking ghost.

Cameron 48:38

But it's also the worst looking ghost Absolutely because it's just him with a couple extra holes in him and some like blood blur going on like little little wisps of blood. It's yeah yeah, as like almost tangible.

Dave 48:47

Yeah, it's like that it's evaporating from his skull.

Cameron 48:57

Like ah lucill reaches out and touches the blood. Yeah yeah, yeah, and a lot of them feel like that as well. It's um oh God for a weird callback. It feels like.

Dave 48:59

Um, and she can like touch it. It's like ectoplasm it wraps around her finger or like you know the it's like it's in water. That's.

Cameron 49:15

Harry Potter and the prisoner of azco band movie when they first did the dementas I remember in the behind the scenes they just had like an enormous pool with a camera built into the bottom and they just threw the puppets in there to get that floating look and it feels ah feels really similar to the abbvers.

Dave 49:28

Oh.

Cameron 49:34

This is probably just Cg At this point we've had we've had we've had a lot more technological advancements to get good looking underwater cloth physics going? Um, but yeah, yeah, he's the but he's the clearest and the least interesting ghost. Um, yeah.

Dave 49:35

That's Cg it's like. He just stands there. He's boring.

Cameron 49:51

He just stands there and looks real sad and real real regretful because you know he lived his terrible life as ah as a person as an accessory to murder until he got a conscience? Yeah yeah.

Dave 50:02

Yeah, because I mean it was his sister the whole time like just kept killing people she killed like 5 women or 4 and then was going to kill leave 3

Cameron 50:11

Yeah, kid killed their mother killed her yeah kit killed her mother killed Thomas's previous 3 wives killed Edith's father which yeah, yeah, yeah she did. Yeah she well he wasn't.

Dave 50:20

Yeah, oh yeah, so technically just didn't have his hair. Maybe she could have got his beard. He had a nice beard or his mustache. It's like a big snpped out of his mustache and he is a little little curl like little waxed curl clipped Well he was shaving. He could have.

Cameron 50:29

He wasn't a woman she doesn't have that same grudge yeah could have gotten in some of his beard. Maybe I guess they would have been more suspicious. Yeah, he's he slipped and fell in the bathroom and and cracked his head open. Yeah. See I mean I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, then face first into the think. Yeah I I I will say the the couple of snapshots we get of um of her father's body are also actually really good.

Dave 50:48

He slipped and scared himself and cut part of his mustache off and it must have went down the drain could have worked could have worked.

Cameron 51:07

I'll say it from from the perspective. Um that that is ah that's a good bit of work on um Prosthetics Cg to get the the head caved in lock.

Dave 51:17

Oh yeah, it looked really bad, especially on the um, the the poorly lit Autopsy table or the the morgue table you're like yeah you don't want to see that you see just enough to go. Oh yeah, you don't want to see that.

Cameron 51:20

I Mm oh man. Yeah, that would that was real rough like really well done. Yeah quickly cover that up. He's fine. He's just sleeping. Yeah oh it was.

Dave 51:32

Well when she was stoving his head in that that was that gets the R like that was pretty brutal.

Cameron 51:39

So brutal? Yeah, ah, that might be it honestly that that single moment was absolutely horrific all the other violence in the movie is like stabbings which is still very bad but doesn't feel as bad.

Dave 51:52

They were okay, didn't um yeah, maybe the second worse was ah um Thomas getting that letter opener through his cheek.

Cameron 52:03

Yeah, that that was also pretty rough that happens twice in this movie every time someone gets stabbed with something and the knife is still there. They go ah just pull this out and like don't do that and.

Dave 52:03

That was pretty bad because he pulls it out and you're like no, don't do Well it's too late. That's too long. Yeah, well the head your that's it that that was like a four inch blade through your skull you're you're probably dead. Yep but um, Charlie did you're a doctor you should yeah you don't there's so many.

Cameron 52:17

Oh yeah, yeah, that severed something important. Yeah. I mean I'll give. Yeah yeah I mean I'll give him that he pulled the blade out and then immediately clamped his arm down which but it's not as good as just leaving the blade in there. Pro tip.

Dave 52:31

Just so much blood going through your armpit. That's you, that's where you do not want to get stabbed. Um, that's not enough. Yeah.

Cameron 52:45

Hey everyone you get stabbed. Keep the knife in you or whatever implement it is um with modern medicine if you get to a hospital you have like a 30% chance of surviving being stabbed in the heart if you don't take the thing that stabbed you out be good this this is your pro tipp from.

Dave 53:00

Yeah.

Cameron 53:04

Someone who had a whole term over now look at these people who were stabbed and then and they or someone else took the stabbing implement out. It didn't end. Well yeah, blood's meant to be on the inside. That's why internal bleeding is less bad right.

Dave 53:15

Nope got to keep the blood in. Um, yeah I mean it's it's less bad if you catch it on time or can get to it still a problem. Yeah, um.

Cameron 53:30

The still problem still a problem. Yeah oh man. Um, yeah, yeah, a lot of stabbing bit of sttroven.

Dave 53:41

Yeah, so the ghosts in this um, aside from reminding me of other gilma deta movies. Ah the some of the beats and the themes in this um, did remind me of Hauntingham Hill house

Cameron 53:47

Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, Absolutely um, it definitely? yeah. It falls in that vein of here's a big Creepy house. Someone new moves into the big creepy house and there's creepy things happening um in in here. The twist is more. There's long-term residents here who are the actual source of the problem I guess but um, yeah, like the like you don't need the full set of keys.

Dave 54:01

Are. Yeah.

Cameron 54:19

Parts of the house are sealed off for your own safety. Um actually masking real problems does um, does kind of ah fall within the the purview of haunting a Hill house for sure enough.

Dave 54:32

Yeah, that in blind manner mostly because of blind manners turning of the screw So the sort materials closer to like what this was aiming for.

Cameron 54:35

Yes, also. Yeah, yes, absolutely.

Dave 54:49

Yeah, the the ghosts in this I because they're kind of non-entities they they bring the emotion you you get the sorrow and you see like they theyre they're visual.

Cameron 55:02

So.

Dave 55:08

Cues to the history of of the um sharps and like the tragedy of what they're doing and what they've done and what they've dealt with like as children they like had a rough theoretically they had a rough life because you're only getting.

Cameron 55:16

Yes, um, yeah, yeah. So yeah Lucille yeah, no, she's certifiable as it were.

Dave 55:27

Their tale of it and really, it's just Lucille's side of it and she's not a reliable narrator. And she's like oh yeah I know we yeah, you don't know what we had to deal with our our mother. Um, initially she's not like saying her mother was doing bad stuff but she's like yeah our mother suffered under our father who was like snapping her legs and just rebusing her. Um.

Cameron 55:48

M. So yeah, so.

Dave 55:57

But then oh um I saved I saved um Thomas from like mother whipping him I think yeah she found out that we were sleeping together and got mad.

Cameron 56:05

And yep, yeah, because um, she found out about us which we which I mean. Look you look at the dates on that like Lucille was 14 and Thomas was 12 like I don't blame the parents for getting mad not just because you know your kids do an incest isn't great at any age but it's particularly bad when they're both very young like that it's I mean sign of a bad household for sure.

Dave 56:17

Like Okay, yeah, yeah.

Cameron 56:37

But yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's ah it's one of those. Yeah one of those family tragedies was like this was always going to turn out bad even if they didn't like that. There's.

Dave 56:38

Um, there was problems more than the land just being like cursed useless land. It's yeah murder their parents.

Cameron 56:54

Yeah, there's an alternate version of this story where like yeah, they don't murder their parents and something else just goes wrong in 20 years time and we get a different ghost story here or they were killed. Yeah yeah, we get there. We get the elderly sur sharp.

Dave 57:01

Damn or or they were killed I mean yeah.

Cameron 57:12

Marrying young heiresses to try and improve the quality of his land. The ghosts of his 2 children around. Yeah that does feel about right? a bit blue beardy.

Dave 57:16

Um, I feel like we've seen that? yeah maybe this is the fresher take on that that icky type of tail.

Cameron 57:29

Ah, yeah, but yeah, it's a fun take I'll give it that. Ah yeah, is there anything else. You would like to talk about in this film that sort of covers most of it.

Dave 57:38

Um I don't no I don't I think we there's not a lot to this and it's it's enjoyable. It's a good if you haven't seen it watch it I mean we spoiled it kind of but um, that that doesn't.

Cameron 57:48

Yeah, absolutely ah, look the the joys and the details.

Dave 57:52

Yeah, and we can't convey like how nice this looks and how well-acted it is I mean everyone does a really good job.

Cameron 57:54

And oh it's gorgeous. Yeah, they do. They do absolutely like it. It is worth the viewing experience and like if you got Netflix it's on Netflix it's only a couple hours. It's a good.

Dave 58:03

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like a 2 hour long movie and the the 1 thing I will say is that um I don't often so but I can't I can't really think of too many things. Um that I have seen. Um Jim Beaver in who plays Mr Cushing

Cameron 58:18

And.

Dave 58:28

Aside from Supernatural and that was like years of that. So I really could only I was only thinking of his role there in this I'm like why aren't you fighting the ghost like this is this is all wrong, stop shaving and go take care of business.

Cameron 58:28

Yes, yes, Ah, yeah, very. Very different film where he walks in with a shotgun and a pound a table salt and.

Dave 58:47

Yeah, listen and here you edged its this what you got to do.

Cameron 58:53

Ah, but yeah, that's how we do things I I was almost expecting one point. Ah, this is how we do things in America twist near the end where Edith reveals she actually had like a little hang on the entire time.

Dave 59:07

Oh yeah I mean that would be bad. Yeah gosh Oh yeah, I'll take care you ghost? Well I um I was reading I don't think I brought it up on the the podcast. Ah, it's one that I.

Cameron 59:10

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Dave 1:13:34

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Cameron 1:13:42

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Dave 1:13:51

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Cameron 1:14:04

Yes.

Dave 1:14:11

With that being the case. Um, if any listeners has suggestions on where they might like to see updates pop up right now. It's primarily through Twitter we do have the Discord and we may reactivate that a little more.

Cameron 1:14:22

Yeah. I.

Dave 1:14:30

Um, just because if this trash fire continues. There's I don't have anywhere else to advertise that the podcast is coming out or to discuss like topics or invite guests I did that that was our place.

Cameron 1:14:38

Yes, yeah, yes, it was.

Dave 1:14:46

Ah, let us know if you know of other social media or some other do I got to get a bolton board again I don't know um bbs let's do it? Yeah so I mean other than that that's that's it next week

Cameron 1:14:53

Oh man, Yeah, let's go back. Let's go back to forums early Two thousand s here we come.

Dave 1:15:04

We will have another guest on and we will be discussing several iterations of um phantom of the opera. So that's that'll be fun. Those are those are what we're going to be picking 3 different franchise I don't really want cloudify.

Cameron 1:15:11

Yes, absolutely. And indeed. Yes.

Dave 1:15:24

3 different incarnations of phantom of the opera and discussing those and like how they differ because they will differ. They're not even from the same country. It will be great looking forward to it now.

Cameron 1:15:29

Yes, oh yeah, excellent, Well thank you very much for listening and we hope to see you in the next episode until then Goodbye and there we go.

Dave 1:15:45

Bye folks.