Episode 221: Boartangle [Beasts]

Leonard 02:17

Um, ah.

Cameron 02:29

This is a film all about the the horrors of environmental pollution which it's a good message I support that it's just not a really well done film. Um, and I believe Dave you've read the the accompanying book.

Dave 02:44

Yeah, it's like a 290 page nomalization. It wasn't it wasn't short but it's it's written by the same writer as the movie. So it it basically just expands on the situation and the characters.

Cameron 02:47

Yeah, So yeah, okay. Yeah, lease it sticks. Yeah.

Dave 03:03

And gives you the bit more background and kind of set dressing than the movie did.

Cameron 03:04

Yeah, oh that's good. Yeah.

Leonard 03:08

Yes, especially since ah, none of that was in the movie even though the movie's only almost two hours long

Cameron 03:15

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't spend its time Super well oh man. So yeah, we open up we're in main already and ify start. Um. And a search and rescue team looking for some lost lumberjacks is mysteriously killed in the woods at night Shakara um and sort of just strewn across a riverbed which oh I'll give him props there some good looking some good looking sort of wide corpse shots they're doing well there.

Leonard 03:44

Yes.

Cameron 03:48

Ah, they they get the gore. Okay in this at least and set for 1 particular scene perceive. We both rewatched multiple times. Yes.

Leonard 03:49

Well except for one scene. The only the only my favorite scene in this movie which we will talk about at at length. Yes.

Dave 04:02

Ah, yeah, the the team in the book. They they get like sucked off of a cliff and then one one they have 2 giant um bloodhounds.

Cameron 04:06

Yeah, somehow. So.

Dave 04:19

And then one of them survives and is like airlifted around like later in the book to come like search because it's too fra. It won't go back in the woods so they put it on a helicopter and Then'll just like they have it in a little harness and it's just like you know, being flown around to sniff. It's it's.

Cameron 04:25

Oh. That that explains a lot.. There's a scene early in the movie where there's a dog being hung from a helicopter and.

Leonard 04:36

It sure does.

Dave 04:38

Yeah. Yep, that's that's the one of the missing or the 1 survivor from that earlier mess. Yeah, context helps every time.

Cameron 04:46

Ah, right? that makes more sense now. Yeah context is great. Yeah, felt like a Lake placid moment but but. Um, yeah, meanwhile over in Washington d c Dr Robert Verne sort of a Bob Ross -looking kind of misanthropist accepts a job from the environmental protection agency to do up a report about ah a dispute between a logging company and a native american tribe. Over in maine in that exact same area. His wife maggie is a cellist. She's in an orchestra I actually really appreciated that a little bit. It seemed nice and she's gotten pregnant but she doesn't want to tell her husband because her husband. Is one of those anti-population people as it were the the real anti-naalist you know humans are a blight on the earth why would we make more of them that kind of guy which you know I guess you don't always think about that when you marry someone but.

Dave 05:51

It was upfront in the book like that was something that was brought up like in their early like when they started dating and then she was okay with it at the time and then over time decided like she didn't agree with that anymore and.

Cameron 05:55

Um, okay. Ah, yeah, yeah, again, she wanted kids. Yeah.

Leonard 06:03

Um, yeah, that.

Dave 06:09

Um, but he's still firmly in that camp because he's he's dealing. He's a he's a doctor and he's dealing specifically with um, social issues cases like some of its welfare just kind of depends on what what? he's not in the hospital. He's like out in the city in New York

Cameron 06:15

Um, yeah. No.

Dave 06:27

And going and trying to like save people in um, like row houses and things. Yeah and well he's he's trying to like he's trying to bring litigation against slumlords because there's large like economic issues in there.

Cameron 06:31

So yes, slumstyle living. Yeah.

Dave 06:45

And he can't get anyone to testify um because they're afraid of just getting evicted like understandably. So yeah, so he's dealing with that and that is putting him at odds. Um.

Cameron 06:52

Okay, which makes sense. Yeah.

Dave 07:04

Ah, in in like job satisfaction because he can't like he's not really making any progress and people keep dying on his watch and he's trying to he's trying to say he's trying to help people. Um, but it also means that he's like working on call. He's just.

Cameron 07:08

Mm. Yeah.

Dave 07:21

Out all hours the day his wife is um, she's ah a concert cellist and is um in a noted symphony and she's super busy also so they don't just like they're like ships in the night they don't.

Cameron 07:26

So. Yes, yes, and yeah, yeah, one of those relationships. Yeah yeah, so that and.

Dave 07:39

Have time for their relationship. Yeah, and that's like the that's his background. Um and he gets roped into roped into. Um he has a buddy that runs the Epa like a branch of it or not a branch but he's just his high up in the Epa.

Cameron 07:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 07:58

Who is working on this but particular um, case and he knows that ah the yeah Rob is like very passionate and is knowledgeable and it's just like his whole goal is to help people so he's like.

Cameron 08:06

Yeah. Newton.

Dave 08:17

If you can head up this investigation. He's like I know you don't have any background in this but you can like take a take ten days and kind of bone up on running tests and stuff. Oh yeah, you don't have to do a lot. You just have to go like investigate. Um, and if you do this and we win this like this case.

Cameron 08:23

So. Yeah.

Dave 08:37

Like whichever way it falls out if you can make this fall out in favor of the Epa um, this will change like lives. So it's like a legitimate thing. Um, and that's that's what gives that he Rob is like okay this will give me like a sense of purpose again and.

Cameron 08:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

Dave 08:54

I Can maybe fix my failing marriage by taking my wife along for the ride. Yeah.

Cameron 08:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leonard 08:57

Oh that would explain? Yeah, oh man I once again, all of this context would have been great in this 2 hour movie because it just feels like he then demands that his wife comes with him even though she's got a job that she does. Because literally the next scene is they are on a plane and she is with him with her cello like he doesn't even ask her in the film. They're just flying out.

Dave 09:16

Um.

Cameron 09:20

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 09:27

Yeah, know they have a giant like it's a huge conversation so Maggie because of his um anti-atalist stance and she's fully aware of that. Ah, they they got pregnant on accident. Um, ah the the contraceptives.

Cameron 09:32

Ah, yeah, yes, yeah, as happens. Yep.

Dave 09:44

Didn't work. Um and this is 79 so they just um, late lateix condoms I think just started even being a thing. So yeah, it's it's relatively recent. Um, so because they bring it up in the book and people are talking about like oh you know those.

Cameron 09:49

Oh man, it's wild How soon that how how not long ago that was.

Dave 10:03

Those like I think it's called a condom I mean they just don't like know how to broach it. There's not like that sex education thing being put out. So um, she's she finds that she's pregnant.

Cameron 10:12

Ah, yeah. And.

Dave 10:18

And she's talking to her her doctor that she's known for forever and her doctor knows the score between her and her husband he've been just known them for like 10 years or whatever and he's like maybe he needs to talk to him. There's got to be something we can do to like. You know I want you to make this decision on your own but don't just try to like um abort the child. So she's has that in her mind and then she's she she's trying to think of a good time to tell him because there's not really a good time to tell him because she'd know he's just going to say you know, no.

Cameron 10:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dave 10:57

Like don't have a child or don't want a child or whatever and he just got back from like ah when he went to help out at um, like ah a tenement He. There was a. Ah, baby that was getting like bit by rats and things and so he went to save the baby at the hospital and the baby didn't make it so he's like he's facing like a crisis of like ah of of faith in the thing he's doing like he's like not making any progress in it and it's just like it's the wrong time to bring up.

Cameron 11:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 11:32

Um, hey I'm pregnant and or we're pregnant. Ah and he he knows something's wrong because she's upset and she's crying and won't talk to him and he's they're they're both kind of like we don't you know we don't sit and talk anymore. We don't.

Cameron 11:32

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And.

Dave 11:51

Laugh together like what what you know? What do we do like our our marriage is like feels like it's a sham like we don't why are we like living together. What's this about so he's like okay I've just accepted this epa job like I feel like I can maybe have a chance to make a difference again. Um, but it's going to be for a few days but it's out like it's out in ah like it's like a camping trip There's a cabin we'll have and you how about you come with me and then she's like I can't I'm just like I'm literally practicing for a concert coming up. Like I have to I have to be here and and so she convinces her um the conductor I guess ah that shell she's going to be gone but she'll be back before the performance and she's going to take her cello with her so she can practice her her her. Um, it's not Brahms. It's like.

Cameron 12:47

Okay, so.

Dave 12:50

Schopenhauer I Think anyway that that's the setups like see they're they, they're taking this as like a workation like its it's it's they're getting stuff done but at the same time Also having time to themselves away from the city.

Cameron 12:58

So.

Dave 13:08

To try to repair their relationship and then she's like okay she's also accepted. She's like okay I'll go because in our head she's like okay we'll be gone for ten days and then or away from the city. We're not doing anything out with my back and like find time to tell him like work up the courage. So I work this out so that's that's what happened.

Cameron 13:23

Yeah.

Leonard 13:25

Do it? okay.

Dave 13:28

Which is all very important to like know and then informs like their relationship throughout the movie which is minimal I know but you know.

Cameron 13:32

Yeah, yeah, um, so yeah, so instead of that we got a scene of him looking at the ratbitten child in an overcrowded apartment and then being mad about that and then accepting the job that is the extent of what we got in the film.

Dave 13:45

Oh no, yeah, it's um, the the mom in the in the in the book because he goes in there and it's like you know it's ah it' a mom and her whole family with's a big family and this is like they're the youngest infant and it's getting bitten by rats and she's.

Cameron 13:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And.

Dave 14:04

Justifiably upset because she keeps telling the landlord and the doctors Whoever she's like my baby's getting bitten my rats and no one believes me. They think it's they think that um I'm abusing him or something like they're not ah and the Landlord's like Rat's got to have somewhere to live to or something. It's just some like bullshit.

Cameron 14:14

Oh yeah.

Leonard 14:18

Yeah.

Cameron 14:21

Ah died. It's yeah.

Dave 14:22

And it's it's bad and um so she's upset and she like ah Rob was like I gotta take the baby to the hospital like come with me so we can treat your baby. You can't just you can't just be in the crib with rat bites. Um, and then she's like just take him.

Cameron 14:37

Button.

Dave 14:41

Like take him to the the foster care. But you know like I can't I can't afford to have like this other child. It's a lot because the book's not just about environment. It's it's about like large social issues. Um particularly because it was like ninety seventy nine. So like a lot of this stuff's still ongoing. But.

Cameron 14:43

Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 14:58

Some things were like very very ah, not great and then um, ah they were at the time like super contemporary flashpoint issues. Um, and they're all still of course relevant today. But it's like this was something that took a look at it like.

Cameron 15:00

No, not great. I. Button.

Dave 15:17

Maybe not from like the best perspectives because it handles some stuff kind of weird. Um, but yeah, so it's it's like really dramatic in the book about what what's going on with him and then like I said he didn't like the he couldn't save the child so he just that was like the last.

Cameron 15:34

And.

Dave 15:37

He was. He's like I'm just gonna quit like he he was done until the epa thing came up anyway has has like little to do with the movie itself but stuff that like.

Cameron 15:38

Yeah, yeah, fair enough? yeah.

Leonard 15:47

It really it it really does because they're um, um, anticharacterization is is what this movie's got going for it. It's really weird that the novelization is um, ah.

Cameron 15:52

Yeah.

Leonard 16:02

More fateful to the spirit of the movie than the movie is um I don't think I've encountered that before um.

Dave 16:07

And so I think that the novel was based off of like his first like script like the stuff that he wanted to do like this is the stuff that we need to have and then Producers or I you know I don't know what the? um, what the background is on this but it could've been budgetary. It could just been like that We don't have.

Cameron 16:11

M. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, shooting on actual films Really expensive. Yeah yeah.

Dave 16:24

Film just shoot all this stuff. Um like cut cut out what we can because a lot of this is drama. That's not like it's not advancing the plot. It's just informing the plot so that could be part of it I'm I'm just speculating at this point but it definitely helps like.

Cameron 16:41

There's a world where yeah, yeah, no, no, no yeah.

Dave 16:42

You understand motivations which is very important because this is like it's environmental but it's like a character piece which the movie doesn't do the movie favors with that part cut out and there's more like throughout the it just does that ah quite often.

Leonard 16:54

Know it as especially because most of the movie is um, the ah character drama of hey I should tell my husband that I'm pregnant Also um, ah.

Cameron 16:56

Button.

Leonard 17:11

Mercury is a mutagen and he gave me highly muted genetic salmon. So I'm going to give birth to a mutant turtle like absolutely because that's what they claim in the movie at least.

Cameron 17:24

Yep yep, it's certainly something. Um, yeah, yeah, so think they get out there to domain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ah yeah, they get out there to main.

Dave 17:32

Um, yeah I'll have more when when we get to that part of it I'll like there's more anyway.

Cameron 17:42

As they're sort of unpacking off the plane. There is a really friendly like 10 year old little blonde boy like wow. Are you guys going? Oh you're going up to a cab that's cool. We're going up the mountain. It's going to take three days and his sister looks very unhappy. Um.

Leonard 17:56

Oh Wow I did I totally forgot that that that family got introduced right there honestly.

Cameron 18:02

Yeah, yeah, this was this is foreshadowing to the greatest scene in 1979 movie history ah yeah yeah well

Leonard 18:06

Yes.

Dave 18:06

Okay, yeah, that doesn't happen in the in the book I mean the other part does but not not this but and it wasn't in 3 Okay, it's a couple hours maybe

Cameron 18:19

It's couple hours. Yeah, that kid might have been exaggerating who knows but we we sort of very yeah, maybe yeah, um, but we very quickly get into the heart of the the issue.

Dave 18:22

I think they were going to be gone for three days in the in the mountains is probably what it was.

Cameron 18:33

Robert's here to investigate as he meets up with the head of the local paper mill who's going to take them out to where they're staying and then as they drive down. There are a group of ah indigenous peoples or as they call them opies which feels slurish even though they claim it's short for original peoples. Um, have chained themselves across the road to 2 trees either side of the road because this is a protest because you know they don't have other recourses. It's another issue here. Um government not listening to people.

Dave 19:09

Yeah, so this part is I mean this part's in the book and this part takes place like almost eighty pages into the book. Um, yeah because I was waiting for this and I was like oh I'm going through a lot of book to get to go or here it is.

Cameron 19:11

Um, yes, yep. Wow Oh crap. That's a lot of setup. Yeah yeah.

Dave 19:29

Thing that I remember being in the very beginning of the movie. Um, because the other the other bit that it all spends time on is John Hawkes and it it spends probably. It's a couple chapters on who he is like why he's relevant and why he's doing what he's doing.

Cameron 19:32

Um. Yes.

Dave 19:48

Um, and I I don't remember if it got into it in the movie I don't think it did so he um is a a original member of the the native tribe in that area.

Cameron 19:54

Written. Yes, yes yeah.

Dave 20:07

And then he he he didn't leave willingly the um the the family that founded like the ah the paper mill um, they went into like the tribe and just. Forcibly adopted like several kids. It's it's not a good It's a bad a what I was like what's going on and John Hawkes was one of them and they because they were just they were ah they were I don't know they were like in their eighty s and just.

Leonard 20:29

The.

Cameron 20:41

What.

Dave 20:44

Didn't have any heirs to their fortune or wanted kids or I don't know I didn't didn't really get into why they did other than they're just terrible people. Um and he was the other two 1 died the other one committed suicide. It's just real bad and he.

Cameron 20:48

Um. I.

Dave 21:01

Survived but the the 2 people that own that stuff originally like they they died like when he was like a teenager and through like a trust fund or something that was left to him. Um, he was able to pay his way through.

Cameron 21:09

Yeah.

Dave 21:18

School and I think like law school so he's he has ah a fairly good education by like any standards and um in the in the beginning of the book. He's introduced not here. He's introduced um as the main.

Cameron 21:26

So.

Dave 21:37

Spokesperson already for the tribe. Um, in like the court proceedings and he in he's or in the he's doing a meeting with like the state senator to try to protest um the the operation of the mill.

Cameron 21:43

Um. Yeah.

Dave 21:54

And like and I think it's not. It's not just that. But it's like the the land was purchased but it's not like purchasable land like it was bought from the government but not from like the the tribes so there was a lot of like other legal issues that he's he was trying to deal with and then he.

Cameron 21:58

Yeah. Yeah.

Dave 22:12

He comes back home to find out that there's there's like um people getting sick and other issues going on and so he comes back and he's trying to help that he's like motivating the tribe to um stand up and then do these protests because before they weren't.

Cameron 22:18

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 22:31

Like they they they just weren't even bothering with it because they did they they were like oh the Mill is only taking up like this small little mile of the forest and you know nothing's happening. There's no real big problems. You know we we still can hunt and fish and and have our land over here.

Cameron 22:36

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 22:47

They're just dealing that over there. But then it's like wait. Actually they're processing I don't know like a tree every 10 minutes like for their it's they're just cutting down swathes of the forest. Um, you know so all that issue so he's like.

Cameron 22:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Dave 23:05

A more significant character rather than he's just oh, he's the guy leading the party. He's leading them but is because he actually like has a hand in trying to be able to stop this like he tried to stop it at a higher chain and it wasn't working So now he's like well the only thing that.

Cameron 23:08

Um, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 23:24

Ah, they're going to understand his violence like that. It's not going to solve it but we can physically stop them for a little while like that's all we got like that's our only other recourse at this point. So yeah, now he's chained chained himself to a tree.

Cameron 23:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great to know. Yeah, that's great to know because yeah, otherwise he's just lead in charge of.

Leonard 23:39

Um, yes. Yes.

Dave 23:43

Yeah, no, he's not the key. He's like um and it goes into he left the tribe so he had to come when he came back. The tribe doesn't trust him because he's basically just a white man at that point so he had to like regain the trial tribe he was like excommunicate it was. It was a lot going on.

Cameron 23:43

Fight the Paper-mill man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dave 24:03

It's like okay he had to he had to jump through a lot of hoops to be able to even do this. So yeah, again, not in the non living's all kind of important.

Cameron 24:06

Britain.

Leonard 24:09

Yeah, and and it in in instead in the film we get ah noted indigenous american actor Amanda Sante as the as as John hawks.

Cameron 24:12

I.

Dave 24:22

John hawks.

Cameron 24:25

Yeah.

Leonard 24:27

Um, and he has just put a chain on the road between 2 trees and says no one goes up to the paper mill so that's all the context that we get for now he does imply that it it's it's not.

Cameron 24:36

Yep yep.

Leonard 24:44

Ah, the story that you told but he does state that he has been educated in like white schools and has gone to supreme court but there is none of that backstory about being abducted by crazy people.

Cameron 24:45

M. Yeah. Um, yeah.

Dave 25:01

Yeah, it's the people that like own the mill. It's messed up. It's like what I mean he he has a personal like vendetta against this mill which is the problem is because that that's why the? um the tribe is not.

Leonard 25:03

Yeah, stake right.

Cameron 25:08

Yeah.

Dave 25:16

Originally, they weren't listening to him because they were like no, you're not trying to help us. You're just mad at that family that like stole you and you're just trying to get. You're just trying to get back at them. You don't care about like the the Mill is not hurting us. It's just you know it's doing its own thing over there and and then of course.

Cameron 25:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 25:33

Stuff happens and it's like they're like actually yes, the Mill is really bad for us. So do what you can John help us out.

Cameron 25:40

Yeah, yeah, all right? Yeah so um, yeah, they're blocking the road and the obvious solution to this is to get a guy to just cut down the tree with a chainsaw and when that excalates attempt to decapitate Joan Hawkes with a chainsaw as ah as a form of intimidation.

Leonard 25:56

Yep, chainsaw Axe fight and it's and and somehow it isn't It is somehow incredibly dull.

Cameron 25:58

Um, chainsaw Axe fight. It's res and Evil over again? Yeah yeah, it's not massively exciting. Um, yeah, incredible.

Dave 26:10

Um, it takes up 2 pages in the book. It's really slow ah swings.

Cameron 26:15

Ah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leonard 26:19

And they and and then ah Maggie's like well they're gonna murder him and and ah Rob is just like yeah but nothing will come of it and I'm like wow that's ah.

Cameron 26:33

Jesus stood here.

Leonard 26:37

That's a yeah I'm just like wait. We both? Yeah, we both watch you you work for the Epa You just watched them murder her a man with the chainsaw and you're attempt to murder a man with the chainsaw and your response is well if they do like.

Dave 26:37

That's what happens in the book. It's real weird. It's like what so what is going on.

Cameron 26:41

Yeah, if. And.

Leonard 26:55

It won't accomplish anything I'm like Wow dude.

Dave 26:57

Um, so ah in context of the movie that's still weird. But then in context of the book Rob that's.

Cameron 27:03

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 27:11

That's in line with his character because he's at this point so like fatalist because he's he's been doing this in the whole life. He's like yeah you can't one person can't change like Jack shit. So what's it going to matter like if if that guy dies it's not going to help anybody.

Leonard 27:14

Right.

Cameron 27:15

In. Yeah, exactly.

Leonard 27:27

This yeah.

Cameron 27:27

Button.

Dave 27:30

Like yeah, you should still stop the dude trying to kill him like like you're now you're condoning murder I think but you know by just not doing it by by just you now you're like you're you're abetting because you're like you're agreeing with it by not stopping it. It's not a good look Rob.

Cameron 27:36

Yep.

Leonard 27:44

Might.

Cameron 27:44

Yeah, no, it's not great. Oh man. Yeah.

Dave 27:50

No, and then like the Eyesley dude I think I think it's Eyesley. Um, yeah in the book he spent like he knew that Rob or that he knew that somebody was coming from the Epa and so he spent all this time like digging into his background and then so he's like. Studied up on him him and his wife to to cozy up to them to make sure that like the um, the epa stuff falls in favor of the mill because he's he's sort of like he's the general manager but like the Pr dude too. Um, and he's like oh is that.

Cameron 28:13

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 28:23

I See you have your Cello That's a whatever and he's like naming like the the wood. It's made of and stuff and it's it's it's real weird.

Cameron 28:26

So.

Leonard 28:28

Which is really and it's and it's really impressive because ah it's in a case. So how how does he know nor nor the.

Cameron 28:32

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 28:35

Yeah, yeah I don't think you can tell the model by like the case it's in that's just ah, it's just a hard case.

Cameron 28:38

No, you cannot.

Leonard 28:43

Nor the vote the wood that it was made out of.

Dave 28:45

Um, yeah I would think so yeah, he's like yeah, that's made of 3 different kinds of wood and this is that's what this is the back of it is and the insides and he's just going off in the book and then.

Cameron 28:47

Honestly, pretty hard to tell when it's not in the case as well after all the varnish. Oh man. Yeah, but.

Dave 29:00

The thing that's real weird because Maggie's like oh that's super impressive and then Rob's like no this dude's just yeah, don't be impressed by that. It's that's also weird. So yeah.

Cameron 29:04

And you literally just read up on your cello. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, great way to cozy yourself up to the ah the Epa agent by nearly murdering a man in front of him for blocking a road. Yeah yes, the angriest lumberjack you have.

Dave 29:19

Yeah, it's like bring along your a most angry lumberjack actually all the all the lumberjacks are really angry in the book like really angry. They do terrible things. Oh yeah, yeah.

Leonard 29:27

Yeah.

Cameron 29:29

Oh yeah, I mean from their point of view a bunch of their friends have disappeared I guess and you know when when the the locals explanation was it was the ghost bear of the forest. It's like a dragon but with the eyes of a cat. Um. Start getting some funny ideas about what might have actually happened ah, but yeah, they they go out to their cabin they start having a nice time out there. But as ah, they sort of get ready to really check things out the following day Robert goes fishing and sees a salmon the size of Sturgeon which is normal. Um.

Leonard 30:04

After it eats a duck.

Dave 30:06

Yeah, it it beats a duck in the book too. He's just like what and he's trying to tell Maggie and then she's just like sure whatever and he's like now what's like I know what I saw but but it ate a duck.

Cameron 30:08

Yeah, yeah, it it full on it full on great white sharks are dark um it was ridiculous. Yeah yeah.

Leonard 30:10

If you.

Dave 30:23

I Can't make that up and this was a duckling but it wasn't I was a fullgrown duck.

Cameron 30:24

It's wild. Yeah yeah, um, and yeah.

Leonard 30:27

Also Also the duck situation begins my real my weird discomfort watching this movie because I'm like there's if there's a lot of like actual animal assault in this film that I did not care for whatsoever.

Cameron 30:40

Yes.

Leonard 30:47

But we're gonna get to the big one like right now.

Cameron 30:50

Yeah, yeah, um, so yeah, they have a lovely dinner of fresh court salmon off the lake and then there's a strange sound at night. O interrupts them ah sort of rekindling their relationship a little and it is. Ah, raccoon and I need to I need to be really clear to all our american listeners if you if a raccoon acts like this and you come into physical contact with it in the way that Robert is about to get a rabies shot. Go get a ravy shot immediately. Um.

Leonard 31:19

Yep.

Cameron 31:23

Yeah, a raccoon sort of just out on the porch acting kind of weird a little distressed and then it just immediately goes feral and tries to eat Robert's arm um and yeah, we get some some very firm raccoon abuse of just sort of throwing it around the room. Crushing against the wall and then eventually throwing it directly into the fireplace. Ah e. Yeah yeah, that's messed up. Yeah.

Leonard 31:45

Yeah, but though I mean those are all prop stuff but like when it's backed into the corner and he's actively hitting it with an R I'm like I actively dislike this movie. Oh.

Cameron 32:00

Can just get a little raccoon animatronic I guess that's way more expensive than just finding a raccoon and terrorizing it for 2 hours onset um yeah but ah, this is the point in the movie should have ended because Robert should have flown back to Washington to get his rabies shots at A. Large Hospital um but the movie doesn't end. There. It's all good. It's fine. Ah, um, and they they sort of the next day they're hanging out and John Hawks comes to find them along with Ramona.

Dave 32:35

Okay, it's out the out the pause you right there so in the book that that happens in the book and then he immediately like gets out his like doctor's kit and ah.

Cameron 32:37

Yeah, yeah, please. Yes. Oh okay.

Dave 32:50

Autopsies the raccoon and he's like oh it's its brain is not. It's like mush and isn't formed correctly and none of there's no signs of it I mean he specifically calls out none of the signs of rabies are on this good thing. Um.

Cameron 33:06

Yeah I think he mentions that slightly later in the film. Yeah yeah.

Dave 33:10

And but yeah, he's doing a full like like in ne cropsy like opens its skull and like doing all the things you do like I don't I don't think he's that kind of doctor but whatever man I don't know I don't know what what steps he had to do to get his doctor degree. Yeah.

Cameron 33:20

Yeah, not a doctor of veterinary science.

Leonard 33:23

No instead instead he and Maggie go to sleep in the cabin with the smell of burning raccoon because they don't even remove it from the fireplace it just. That's all I can assume because it just cuts to the next day

Cameron 33:33

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 33:36

Yeah, no, he he like dissected it and he does that repeatedly to a bunch of other animals well like the dissecting part. Yeah because because he's trying to figure out what's going on and he's like oh it's like oh yeah, the brain is like something's.

Cameron 33:42

Yeah I mean yeah.

Leonard 33:44

Ah, man that would have been nice to see.

Dave 33:55

Not right? He's like I wonder could with the at the ease he when it's attacking him or once it finishes attacking him and he dispatches it. Um, he's like it seems to like that. That's a.

Cameron 34:03

And.

Dave 34:10

Like I hope it's not rabid and he's like these then he's looking it over and he's like okay, there's no sign like no exterior signs of rabies. It's not frothing or doing anything that like the rabid animal would do which I don't I think there's multiple stages of rabies I Don't think that they just immediately have foamy mouth like there's.

Cameron 34:18

So that ah, that's like the only exterior sign. Yeah, phone mouth is like 1 of the last stages of rabies when it runs completely out of water.

Leonard 34:24

Is.

Dave 34:29

Yeah, but anyway he opens the brain and then apparently studied rabid I mean he has. He's been dealing with Rat infestations and other things he probably is up to date on on at least on rabies like other infectious diseases and things. So.

Cameron 34:37

Yeah, what rabies would look like yeah yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, no.

Dave 34:47

That that tracks with like his experience in the book. Um, you get none of that movie. So here's like okay yeah, he didn't explain that oh its brain is weird. Um, yeah, anyway, go ahead I don't.

Cameron 34:58

Yes, yeah, pretty much? Yeah, um, yeah, the next day John Hawkes comes to find him and not at all suspiciously says he has something to show them. Can you please follow me into the woods. Ah. And they they go along with it because he reports that you know the people are ill they're acting drunk when they haven't been drinking children are being born deformed sometimes sometimes so much so that they've had to be killed at birth and you know that's the kind of thing this man is concerned about. So he's got to go check it out and they are introduced to Ramona's Grandfather Hector who is an old native american man who has sort of a ah little campsite set up in the traditional style with the tepes.

And it's like you know this is eden this is god's creation come have a look at all this stuff and meanwhile Robert's going why are these plant roots on top of the ground instead of underground and they're all swollen and gross and then Hector pulls out a tadpole the size of like a small dog. Out of the lake like look everything grows big here. Oh I look at a satellite that is that's definitely not right.

Leonard 36:12

Yep.

Cameron 36:25

Um, but yes, he also gives a little more information about catatard and the sort of ancestral guardian of these parts part of everything in god's creation. Ah, which is our first clue as to. The identity of the actual killing creature here I guess um after this they go and they have a quick tour of the paper mill it is this is part of the movie I actually do quite like you have this long sequence fully in nature hanging out having a good time. Just experiencing the beauty of this natural forest and then it hard cuts to like the bleakest industrial set possible whereas. It's all concrete and sheet metal and running machines you're like oh this this doesn't feel great. Look at that. Um, yeah, get.

Leonard 37:14

Yeah, especially because they filmed in a real paper mill.

Cameron 37:18

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what it looks like. That's the real stuff. So yeah, getting getting the rundown what chemicals. Do you use? You know we use some bleach in the paper but we make sure that doesn't run off into the water system. And we use no other chemicals in the production of the paper. He says that more or less exact same sentence like 5 times while being questioned because it's a very particular answer. It's got to be you got to be sure about what you're saying um and you know Rob Robert's not 100% convinced.

Leonard 37:41

Yes.

Cameron 37:54

Ah, by this and gets a little little shouty about it at which point the ah Isley the the the leader of the paper mill strikes back with how long is this report. You're going to write a hundred pages 200 how many copies are going to make a hundred or so you need 10000 pieces of paper. Just to write your report. We're providing what you're demanding which yeah, yeah paper made the world go round still does honestly in most countries we've got to have a paper record of nearly everything and.

Leonard 38:25

I Really appreciate it though because he says it with like the confidence of this is the only paper Mill on Planet Earth I'm like yeah.

Cameron 38:33

Oh yeah, absolutely no, no one could replace us. We couldn't move to a different area.

Leonard 38:40

Right? Yeah, there's yeah, there's no but nobody else on Planet Earth makes paper I'm like well that's clearly like that's what you're implying by by saying all this, but that's the silliest like rebuttal to his question.

Cameron 38:46

I. Yes, yes. Back.

Dave 39:00

Um, say but are you doing anything illegal and or harmful to the environment. Ah yeah, aren't you using paper still though. So who's the hypocrite now. So no, that's not an argument. Ah.

Cameron 39:03

We use no chemicals in the production of our paper. Yeah, it's not an argument is they like we test the water they come back clean, It's fine I promised. Yes yeah.

Leonard 39:07

Right? Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's literally it is literally that that you participate in Society Meme actually.

Cameron 39:23

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Dave 39:23

Yeah, yeah, so and this happens in the book. Um, and then isisli eventually like allows that. So yes.

Cameron 39:26

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Dave 39:34

There's a we contract out to or there's there's like a subcontracted company that handles. Um the the law. What's not to the mill. It's like there's there's overflow and like Surplus logs and they have to be kept in retention until they can be put through the mill.

Cameron 39:40

And again the logs to them.

Dave 39:53

Um, and when they're in retention. Um, we have to keep them from like getting all ah covered in algae and mold because they're just sitting there so they may they they use whatever their proprietary something is and I don't know what it is. And then Rob gets super mad because he's like you're supposed to know like this is your literal job to know a to z like what happens in this like every step that happens you can't just go oh some other people handle that and no one knows what they do? Um, but yeah, we only use bleach. It's like no that you have to.

Cameron 40:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in charge. The subcontractors are your responsibility. Yeah.

Dave 40:30

This is dealing with the Epa you have to know every step like has to be approved. Yeah, so like that's what happens and then um before they go to the mill. Um, Rob when he goes and sees that that um the sacred pond like there's. There's 2 um logs in it and then he realizes that that's a like that. That's there. That's one of the retention ponds somehow which is weird because like um, it's ah it's way out of the way and it's like a sacred space that um the the grandfather's like always there.

Cameron 40:57

Yeah, yeah. And it's way out of the way. So. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 41:15

Like I think you would know that they're using it and putting chemicals in it. Um.

Leonard 41:19

It's even more bizarre in the movie because because he's asked. He's Rob asks him about it. He's like they show up sometimes and then they disappear.

Cameron 41:26

Yeah, he's like twice a year they show up and then they go away who knows nature's mysterious wonders and we're looking like a raft of cut Logs on like I know man feel like you would notice this being placed here.

Dave 41:38

Yeah, it's in the book too. It's that's what he's could be because he's he's um, suffering from the Mercury poison like really badly Also so he's not like reliable anymore mentally. Unfortunately, yeah yeah.

Leonard 41:41

Right.

Cameron 41:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, burning his hands with cigarettes but he can't feel it. Yeah, which is very rough.

Dave 41:55

But yeah, so that's like they see that and then um, yeah, that's what that's what leads him to go hey I definitely have to go I mean he's going to go talk to them anyway. But now he has like sufficient suspicion to go Hey what are you guys doing here. Something's not something's not on the up and up. Yeah.

Cameron 42:03

Yeah, yeah. Something's not right? Yeah yeah, and you know they they tell them they test the water themselves and it always comes back clean but you can go test it yourself and are walking down to the edge of the water Maggie slips and stands in some mud and later on. Not much later. He notices a silver deposit on her boot from where she stood in the mud. Um, and while it still acts like a liquid. It's dry to the touch because of course it's Mercury. Yay! The only liquid that isn't wet.

Dave 42:45

Part of the test that he kept failing or whatever. It's like some thick. Ah.

Cameron 42:45

Yeah, yeah, some like that. But yeah, Mercury is used as a fungicide to make sure the logs are clean when they come in to be cut in the paper Mill and of course it doesn't show up in water tests because being heavier than water it just sinks to the bottom and sits in the silk. You know. Stuff that fish go through for food. Um, and ah he I think he clarifies that it's a methylmercury which is is indeed a methylized Mercury chain. It's a different molecule Yada Yada yada.

Dave 43:13

Yeah.

Cameron 43:22

Um, it supposedly has mutagegenic properties particularly in fetal cells where it concentrates even if you've ingested a very small amount and Maggie Maggie's sweating bullets at this point. Um because she's been eating the fish from the lake. Incredibly large, incredibly delicious fish. Um I mean you know even real life fish are often quite high in mercury content. Um, so you know don't don't eat nothing but raw tuna for the rest of your life because you will get mercury poisoning eventually. Um.

Leonard 43:48

Right.

Cameron 43:59

And obviously she knows she's pregnant. He's just spouting off our you know it causes deformities and mutations in in fetal cells. She's she's getting real real worked up about it because yeah, it's scary, but it's fine. We will just make sure we'll take some blood tests and ah and we'll take yeah text some blood tests from the locals. It'll be all good meanwhile that night slightly further into the forest. Yes, the greatest scene.

Leonard 44:28

Yes.

Cameron 44:34

NinetySeventyNine send him a history that ah that young boy his sister and his father are all sleeping in their sleeping bags. Ah the young the young boy is in a banana sleeping bag. He literally looks like a banana. It's incredible. Um, kitaran.

Leonard 44:48

Um, yep.

Cameron 44:53

An enormous mutated bear with like half its body fully slimed up and like raw skin attacks slashes up the the father and daughter and then just flings our little banana sleeping boy against a log as he hops away.

Leonard 45:06

As he hops away as he hops away.

Cameron 45:11

Just just swings him like fifteen feet across the clearing into a into a rock or boulder which he is he promptly explodes into a shower of feathers and other padding from the slicking bag and it is I I burst out laughing for like 5 minutes

Leonard 45:23

Yeah. It is the funniest thing that I have seen in like a really long time because the movie had been so slow and so boring and this is like.

Cameron 45:31

It was incredible. Perfect. Yeah. Yes, yeah, Oh yeah, yeah.

Leonard 45:42

Ridiculous like it's the most ridiculous thing that I've ever seen. It's it's a like later Friday the thirteenth Jason Vor he's kill um it I was just like I was just like I can't I need to I need to watch this 15 times.

Dave 45:58

Yes, Jason X would repeat this.

Leonard 46:01

And yeah, exactly um, it is the it's and it's so bizarre because it literally comes out of nowhere. It's not particularly well shot the the sequence. Yeah, it's not particularly well shot the sequence.

Cameron 46:01

Yeah, yeah, actually yeah. Um, no, that adds to the charm.

Leonard 46:19

They do a force perspective thing to make the bear look larger than it is and it's not working and then it's just like the hands somebody the you know the guy person wearing the costumes arm swings and then the it's just like it's a dummy like it's a dummy.

Cameron 46:25

Yep! note. Yeah, they got a dummy on a rope and they just pull that thing as fast as they can.

Leonard 46:39

Yeah, that it's It's the dummy that falls off of the roof in an action movie but only moving horizontally because it was yanked by a ah wire. It's amazing.

Cameron 46:43

Yeah, it was incredible.

Dave 46:49

Yeah, yeah, that happens in the book and it's It's really bad in the book because like the kids are little deep.

Leonard 46:55

Yeah I'm sure it's like.

Cameron 46:56

Yeah, well I bet in the book. They yeah, that's why they do this in the movie because you can't show like an 8 year old boy getting exploded by a bear um instead just show the sleeping bag explosion but in the book. Yeah, go wild.

Leonard 47:03

Now.

Dave 47:05

Um, yeah, he yeah yeah it it I mean it it. It's not like super graphic but it definitely I was like oh I will know it's not yeah, it's like a meanic and it's real weird because it's um so that.

Leonard 47:16

Isn't comedic like this.

Cameron 47:17

M.

Dave 47:23

It spends time with the family before this happens like ah the of the because it's the dad and it's a dad the mom and the and the two kids and they're on their they're going on their campship and they're so excited and it's just talking about like the dad is ah um, he's an avid outdoorsman and he's.

Cameron 47:24

Yeah, yeah.

Leonard 47:26

Ah Huh of course that would have been good.

Cameron 47:30

So. And.

Dave 47:42

He's bringing his kids out here for the first time like this is the first time that they had a family vacation. He just um I think he's like a schoolteacher and he'd saved up a bunch of money over the years and finally got like a little Cessna and.

Cameron 47:49

I go. Oh boy blew himself out. Yeah.

Dave 47:58

Um, so he this was his that was the maiden flight that they flew out here and they're going to do their camping trip. Um, and the kids are excited and he ski's he's teaching his kids like the ways of the force so they can be naturalists and like not be scared of the the wilderness and he's like.

Cameron 48:03

Oh man making me feel bad now. Yeah.

Leonard 48:13

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 48:17

Okay, kids we're gonna it's it's called um I don't remember it's good. It's like it's like the sleep sleeping by yourself. So um, he's telling his son who's like 9 He's like so you'll go and ah, you'll you know you'll sleep away from like the camp.

Cameron 48:33

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 48:34

And have your own little campfire and like that'll that'll be your like right into um manhood and the kid's like okay I'm not scared I can do it and then his daughter who's 12 is like I I'm tougher I can do it too and that's like oh yeah, so you both okay, it's fine. You can both. Go um, you know I see he's not like telling them to go off into the woods by himself. He's like you know it's it's it's a few. It's just outside of the like camp firelight. So they're they're just a little ways away but they're still kind of by themselves. He's like don't forget to set your alarm and you got to get up in the morning and and or during the night and you got to keep feed in the fires to keep all the animals away so you have a little you know you can't you can't let the fire go out so the kids are like dutifully doing that and the daughter like wakes at her alarm wakes her up at three o'clock in the morning and she's like.

Leonard 49:17

Um, right.

Dave 49:26

Hearing something coming in to the tree or you know into the little camp thing and she thinks it's her dad checking up on them and then it's it's not. It's like Cut Tod in it's not the dad and then she's like oh Mr Fair please don't don't hurt me and then so she like zips she like.

Leonard 49:34

Right.

Dave 49:46

Maybe if I just pretend to be dead or whatever and so she zips her like sleeping bag over her head like her brother was sleeping to to keep bugs away and then the bear just like murders her and the the brother wakes up and he's like is it snowing.

Leonard 49:49

A. Right.

Dave 50:05

Because the bear's so big and it's it's biting His sister's head and her blood's raining on him. He thinks it's raining and then like the little flakes of ah sleeping bag are like falling on him like snow and and he sees what's happening and he starts screaming.

Leonard 50:12

Oh wow.

Cameron 50:13

Oh god. Yeah.

Dave 50:25

And then he yeah gets he gets up and he's like banana hopping and then the the bear just like murders him too and then the dad hears the screaming and comes running and he's like then he sees his kids being eaten and he starts sees like oh my God and then the bear like one shots him.

Leonard 50:29

Yes, yeah.

Cameron 50:32

Yeah, okay. Yeah, holy shit. Yeah.

Dave 50:43

Like Ri talk head and then that's it, You're like okay yeah, ah what? what just happened it. It spent like a chapter introducing this family only to kill them.

Leonard 50:51

Well I mean it's It's better than not introducing or giving them any characterization at all only for the son to and please listeners forgive me for.

Cameron 50:54

That's wild.

Dave 50:57

I.

Cameron 51:05

Um.

Leonard 51:05

Referencing this a fastball pitch into a seagull at the end of the sequence.

Cameron 51:13

Ah, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.

Dave 51:14

Yeah, it was rough. It wasn't as bad as the kids that didn't make it in um, the nest that was horrible and at least like the dad went out and like took a bunch of the cockroaches with him. But.

Cameron 51:18

So yeah, yeah, no, That's fair. No no, This is just good old bear Murder Incredibly funny the film incredibly disturbing in the book. Yeah,, don't fight a bear more real life advice if you see a bear. Don't.

Dave 51:30

This dad didn't make it. Kaanans way kahaans way too strong I can't yeah no and then don't fight 1 That's like so it it um I don't think it did it in the movie in the book. Godhain's introduced by.

Leonard 51:41

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 51:54

Um, ah ripping the Skeleton out of a brown bear. Yeah, it's like what this is the bear and it that it it it woke up from hibernation and it's like trundling along and sees a um.

Cameron 52:01

Holy okay. I.

Dave 52:13

Like a buck and it goes after it and then it hear's a weird noise and turns and then then cathardian is like 3 times larger and like upper cuts it like it's mortal combat and it it hit it so hard it like knocked out of its skin. You're like what issue what is going on.

Cameron 52:27

The model combat finish it by keartan.

Dave 52:32

Like yeah yeah, like that's like the opening part of the book. It's like what is happening.

Leonard 52:37

Yeah, instead got Kataman's first introduction is literally 57 minutes into this nearly 2 hour long movie.

Cameron 52:37

Holy crab. Oh. So yeah, yeah.

Dave 52:46

Yeah, no, we get it. We get it like mortal combat finisher move to ah a bear another bear and then it like Drags a whole team of search and rescue people off of a cliff.

Cameron 52:53

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it sounds much more threatening in the book. Honestly, yeah man. Um, so yeah, the ah yeah yeah, campus did not make it in eye the telling of this tale um Isley and the sheriff.

Dave 53:03

Yeah, yeah, it's It's really really big anyway. So yeah, there's the the campers didn't make it.

Cameron 53:19

Discover the bodies and in the morning o light. Well it was the opes clearly this exploded child was done by human hands. Um, and so they go off a rest John Hawkes and a number of the other people. Ah, while.

Leonard 53:25

Yeah.

Cameron 53:36

Robert and Maggie are taking blood samples John Hawkes obviously makes his escape because they're probably just going to straight up kill him rather than necessarily arrest him. There's a lot of lot of anger going on in this scene. Ah.

Leonard 53:50

He makes he makes his escape in the most visually interesting shot at of the movie like honestly, this movie's kind of shot very rote and boringly ah for the most part.

Cameron 53:55

It's great. Yeah, um.

Leonard 54:02

But it's just a panting shot of him running into a house looking through a window as he jumps out another window at the back of the house.

Cameron 54:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he he again? he's he's doing some resonue for four here. Ah yeah.

Dave 54:14

Yeah, that's what happens in the book. It's weird. It doesn't explain it Well he just like bursts through a window and you're like okay, he's gone all right I don't know what happened there? yeah.

Cameron 54:23

So yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, they they they dash off to inspect this scene of this horrendous gilling before it gets closed off by the copbs and also by the incredibly inclement weather. Ah. Off by helicopter and they find these enormous scratch marks in the trees like beg even for a bear and in the nearby in the nearby stream Maggie finds 2 little mutant cubs trapped in a salmon poacherette one of which has drowned.

Leonard 54:40

The year yep

Cameron 54:56

The other which is very unhappy about being cold and wet. Ah, and ah you know this is evidence. We've got. We've got direct evidence of the damage done to the environment look at this terrible greasy little prosthetic back bear prop. it it is it is pretty distressing to look at which I think means it's doing its job well but also or um, yeah, so obviously they can't take the helicopter out because of storm so instead go to the nearest shelter which happens to be Hector's tepee

Leonard 55:16

Yes.

Cameron 55:33

Camp and nursing the surviving cub sort of is the plot the plot. Ah summary here says back to health. That's definitely not what's happening here. They get it warm and then it starts screaming in pain because it's a horrible.

Leonard 55:43

No, no, it is not that.

Dave 55:51

Oh.

Cameron 55:52

Deformed creature that should never have been and so they start just pumping it full of Drs like it's got to survive for someone in Authority to see it. So it's evidence Otherwise I'll just say we mutilated a bear corpse.

Leonard 55:57

Yep. At what to is that was that his explanation as to why they needed to keep it alive because when he was like when he was like we need to keep it alive I'm like no, it's It's clearly like.

Cameron 56:09

I Believe so. Oh yeah, yeah.

Leonard 56:19

Ah, horrible mutant like with tons of deformities that like mutilating an actual bear cub wouldn't account for but whatever movie sure I guess at this point.

Cameron 56:25

So. I mean the real reason they have to keep it. Alive is to really just psychologically distress Maggie even further. Ah yeah, she sees this like muling crying clearly suffering creature just laid out on a little stretcher. She's like.

Leonard 56:36

Right? exactly.

Cameron 56:46

It's gonna happen to me. Great! Awesome Umbater. My big breakdown about this which feels very fair incidentally and she finally manages to get it out ah to to Robert that she's pregnant and he also fed her salmon filled to the brim with methylmerrcury. So I guess this is going to be their life now. It's not going to end here. Even if they kill the bear. It won't endhere and it'll happen again in six months when she gives birth to another terrible mutant and you know Robert is actually affected by this which good I guess he he doesn't just.

Leonard 57:09

Um, yep.

Cameron 57:22

Fatal fatalism this one off immediately good on good on you for having an emotion Robert um, um, the the sheriff and the head of the paper mill arrive and iley is like immediately just looks in the tent in the tent. Turns out and just hand to his face like oh god what have we done yet. Cool. Actually it's totally my fault again's good on him realizing the errors and consequences of your ways. It is. It's nice that there's no attempt to defend. He's like okay, yeah, no.

Leonard 57:59

Yeah I do actually kind of appreciate that.

Cameron 58:00

We definitely did this.

Dave 58:03

Yeah, the the book handles it the same way where they eyes is just like oh he's like I will go with you to the senate hearing or whatever and I will testify like against the company. He's like this is this can't like this isn't what I didn't know this was going on like he's did not.

Cameron 58:04

So yeah, yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that he did not want to know? Yeah yeah.

Dave 58:23

But yeah, yeah, he was willfully being blind to like the effects of what they were doing because this is this is like the least of the damage that caused.

Cameron 58:32

Oh yeah, yeah, ah, but you know he got a live to get to the senate. Ah, and as anyone who knows anything about bears would know don't touch the cubs don't approach the cubs do not look at the cubs. Don't think about looking at the cubs. Ah. Mama Bear is an archetype for a reason. Yeah don't swaddle them like little babies because bear doesn't know what swaddling is ah.

Dave 58:49

Don't swaddle them like little babies.

Leonard 58:55

Yep, just keep the cubs in a salmon poaching trap. Ah because men doing a real good job Mom there that both of your cubs somehow managed to get caught in a salmon trap.

Cameron 58:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 59:07

Together.

Cameron 59:11

Yeah, yeah, ah yeah, she's so she's just so angry at humans for being the real monster here that she forgot about them in her blind rage which that oh man I watched.

Leonard 59:18

Yep.

Cameron 59:25

A slide aside I I out of boredom yesterday watched beast the that that one about the lion. That's just gone up on Netflix recently that's a very boring movie this movie but the lion is just angry.

Dave 59:35

Yeah I was I was talking to Leonard. Yeah in the green room going. Oh I I meant to to to tell you to watch bor like that would have actually probably been a. It's a contemporary retelling kind of of razor back.

Cameron 59:48

Um, yeah, ah how I check that out. Yeah, okay, that's pretty cool I'm in I'm ah I'm in for that. Um, but yeah Mama Bear Catar and.

Dave 59:55

That's Nathan Jones he's he fights the war. It's great.

Cameron 1:00:05

Comes back to find the cubs follows them to the tepee to the tepe tents and immediately just kills the sheriff while everyone else hops into the preservation tunnels beneath the tents because its debasement is a ubiquitous piece of a piece of living Space. You have your little freeze tunnels to keep stuff ah cool in Summer edible in winter and everyone's just hanging out Underground. Um. And it's ah it's pretty tense because again, it's just you hear the bear raging up above continuously and when it all goes silent some brave fool sticks their head out of the hole and immediately gets dragged up by the bear which was waiting for them.

Leonard 1:00:51

Yes.

Dave 1:00:54

Yeah, yeah, so in the book. The sheriff rolls up with like his whole group. It's like ah ah like a posse because they they still think it's um, they're still after John Hawks so it's him and like.

Cameron 1:00:56

So yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:01:09

Whoever you could get and then all the lumberjack guys and then they just get all murdered by Kata and like it's it's like 10 or more people. No.

Cameron 1:01:11

Yeah, but yeah, the the bear will not be stopped. Yeah yeah, pretty much.

Leonard 1:01:17

They they they only had the budget to murder 1 person that who stuck his head up like bugs bunny out of a rabbit hole.

Cameron 1:01:30

Ah, yeah, ah so you know the next day they sort of creep their way out Eyesley that like they've they've got ah someone someone pretty badly injured huntoon set their name I don't know the name of anyone important in this.

Dave 1:01:44

It It was the helicopter pilot in the book I don't know if it's.

Cameron 1:01:49

Helicopter guy. Yeah helicopter guy got mouled so he's he's in pretty bad shape. But if they get to the indigenous folks village by the time they get there. It'll be too late for anyone to go out to get medical assistance from the town and so he'll probably die waiting. But just up the mountain a couple of hours is a radio station and isiseley manager of the paper mill blasm is taking responsibility for his action says he's going to brave it and see if he can get up there and get someone to helicopter in supplies to the village and off he goes up the mountain. And gets murdered by a bear because yeah, still got to pay for those crimes now they'll get you if you're not good at shimmying. Yeah.

Leonard 1:02:25

Yeah, he couldn't show me up under a fence fast enough.

Dave 1:02:36

He didn't even get that in the book like he he's he's getting. He's almost to the station and then he sees like the um the the baby bear that didn't make it like the carcass is just on the path and he's like that's weird and then.

Cameron 1:02:46

Yeah I.

Dave 1:02:54

Because it's just like there's bugs on it and he's like what is that and then he realizes what it is and then he goes oh I'm dead now and then he he doesn't even he can hear the bear and he doesn't even turn he's like it's just going to kill me I don't want to see it and then he gets like torn in half or the the book's really good about going.

Cameron 1:02:55

Yeah, yeah. Oh That's fair. Yeah yeah.

Dave 1:03:11

And his as his consciousness faded. He saw his upper Torso or his whatever his like like his legs flying past his vision because he was ripped in teases. It does that a couple times and people die like it like it's very poetic about the last spark of.

Cameron 1:03:14

So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not feeling it at that point it is all visual I'm sure. Ah yeah, Ah, the rest of them are attempting to drive away to the village and the bear attacks.

Dave 1:03:31

Neurons firing in his brain. We watched as his own eyes where it's just like what? Okay yeah, yeah, he didn't make it.

Cameron 1:03:49

Decapitates the ah the helicopter pilot in his stretcher and so ah Elsa Hut does here. He's just watching all this happen like this guitar in the garden of the forest. Why would it ever hurt him and as everyone swims across the lake to get to a log cabin as some form of shelter. He also gets.

Leonard 1:03:56

This is.

Cameron 1:04:07

Terribly mouled by the bear. Ah um, the the surviving cub attacks Maggie and Robert just drowns it which doesn't mean fair and cataran.

Leonard 1:04:19

Yep.

Cameron 1:04:27

Crosses the lake murders John Hawke knocks over the cabin which this bear is so strong they are in ah they are in a solid building and the entire front wall just disappears. Basically.

Leonard 1:04:36

Yes.

Dave 1:04:41

Um, it's a little. It's a little more subtle in the book kind of the bears Huge and in the in the book. The cabins on like stilts like it's raised up a little bit So I guess when the Lake sometimes submerges part of the island. So.

Cameron 1:04:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, big bail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:04:59

The bear like it's it's really ridiculous. They they swim across and they're like oh we're we're safe now. Um, after they got the little bear off of because it was on Maggie's neck like mall like chowing down on her neck. Um.

Cameron 1:05:08

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:05:19

And they swim across and they're like oh we'll be fine and then they hear like this huge like sounds like a boulder lammed into the lake and they're like oh it's swimming across and it it gets on the land while they're still trying to get to the cabin.

Cameron 1:05:25

Who. Yeah. Written.

Dave 1:05:38

And it's so fast it like runs past all of them turns around and then like tries to bowl them over and um Rob and John they have um they have a rifle and then John has his um bow that he was taught to use. Um by Hector.

Cameron 1:05:49

So. Yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:05:58

Or the old guy and so they heat they they end up injuring it quite a bit like fighting it and then they get into the cabin and they're just the barrcad. It's It's even in the book. It's like that's not gonna work man. They they know they're like barrade the door against what the bear. Sure. It's like its head is the size of a person but it um it it like does several runnings it like backs up to the Lake edge and then turns out and runs and rams itself into the cabin like multiple times so like off kilter it and then bursts in eventually like through the roof.

Cameron 1:06:15

So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:06:33

So it's a little more like it makes sense kind of in the book because you get more of a book they they obviously don't have the budget or like there's a dude running in a suit at a cabin. It's not big enough to knock it over all we could have is just one Linebacker you know.

Cameron 1:06:41

No yeah, it would look foolish. Yeah yeah, a line back or a rubber suit good old days and monster movies. Um, yeah.

Dave 1:06:51

Yeah.

Cameron 1:06:55

So yeah, and the the more or less destruction of the cabin interroom owner knocks Maggie out and so Robert very desperately just stabs and shoots catar in a whole bunch forcing it back into the water where it drowns Hoorray problem solved everyone. It's all. Good, um, and as they fly away the next day getting the hell out of maine jump scare second bear. Um, yeah, there there is wherever wherever there is a Mama bear and baby bears. There's also a papa bear.

Even Bigger Nastier bear is still out there.

Dave 1:07:34

Yeah, is like twice the size of the mom in the book. He's like rising up above the forest like Godzilla like he I mean he's not that big but he's much much larger.

Cameron 1:07:40

Yeah, we done so boy oh god that would be epic though I want Godzilla but it's just a grisly bear the size of a skyscraper.

Leonard 1:07:56

Um, because.

Cameron 1:07:57

That I'd be Ah I'd be up for that That'd be great. Um, so yeah, that's prophecy. It's not great. It's not awful that there are worse Films I've watched yeah I like the message.

Leonard 1:08:05

Um.

Dave 1:08:06

Um, I mean it's ecological horror.

Leonard 1:08:08

I mean it if if more of what was in the book was in this movie then I would like it because it just seems like stuff happens with very like that once again, the characterization isn't very strong for anyone especially compared for.

Cameron 1:08:18

See. Yeah, yeah.

Leonard 1:08:26

To what you've told us about the book Dave and and and I find that kind of in this inexcusable given the runtime of the film.

Dave 1:08:29

Yeah, um.

Cameron 1:08:32

Yeah I.

Dave 1:08:33

Yeah, it had to be something with a production because it's the same writer so they clearly had this this stuff was in the script and they were just like we don't maybe have the maybe we can only be shooting for some X amount of days like our budget just can't.

Leonard 1:08:41

E.

Cameron 1:08:45

Um.

Dave 1:08:51

Ah, supply this we ran out a budget doing like the couple effects shots or something or we can only rent the the helicopter and the crane for a little while you know I I don't know I don't know what the the budget was in this. But.

Cameron 1:08:55

So yeah.

Leonard 1:09:00

This this is.

Cameron 1:09:05

Yeah.

Dave 1:09:07

Yeah, the stuff's all there. It's all there and it's a shame that it didn't actually make it in the movie because I think the messaging and like it's it's handling like 5 or 6 different issues all at once. There's like there's a lot of stuff that this movie is talking about and it's able to address them at least in the book in ah, a straightforward manner that like.

Cameron 1:09:15

Yeah.

Dave 1:09:26

Is effective. Um I mean it's It's definitely just an excuse to have a creature but um or you know they're using that creature as a um like a proxy for all the problems that this is like bringing up but they they did base.

Cameron 1:09:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leonard 1:09:39

Right.

Dave 1:09:44

Um I think both in the movie and in the book for sure. Um, these incidents on on historical events in recent history that did happen with Mercury poisoning that just like recedt whole villages. So it's all it's all based in like stuff that happened and it's still happening like there's there's still.

Cameron 1:09:49

Button. Yeah, yeah, it's a real problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Dave 1:10:03

Messing up things. So.

Leonard 1:10:05

Which is why why I think it's very bizarre that the inclusion of it. It's a immuneagen I'm like ah like because the paper mill's been there for 20 years

Cameron 1:10:14

Yeah.

Leonard 1:10:18

It literally could have just been hey these bears have been progressively getting more and more um you know heavy metals in their systems and now their cognitive abilities are just so awful that they will just attack humans on site.

Cameron 1:10:28

Um. Yeah, yeah, as the bears being hoff and leaded gasoline.

Leonard 1:10:34

Rather than it's a big Mutant bear.

Dave 1:10:37

Yeah, the the book. Yeah, the book deals with that um timeframe a little bit more because that's it's super Important. So The um ah it's not minamoto. Ah, the The. The Japanese village that was damaged by the Mercury poisoning and the paper Mill there. Um that that Mill was operating for 50 years before it became Public. You know like when all the effects started are just really ramping up.

Cameron 1:10:56

In 3

Leonard 1:10:58

Um. And.

Cameron 1:11:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:11:11

Because it takes time for the mercury to accumulate. It's not immediate so the twenty year timeframe and in the book in particular is like this is important because it's the same stuff happening but it's happening on a much faster scale. Um, so they're they're using. Um.

Leonard 1:11:24

E.

Cameron 1:11:24

Yeah, yeah.

Dave 1:11:31

The the Mercury um like a fungicide the thing that whatever they're using is it's the same chemicals. They just like renamed it to a different chemical. It's the same chain or like it's It's a similar one.

Leonard 1:11:34

Right.

Cameron 1:11:42

Button it? yeah.

Dave 1:11:49

Um, but it's like double the strength. So the problem is there for 1 thing they're using something that that is a known ah issue like we we have recent history where this is like killing a lot of people and damaging the environment. Um, and so it's.

Cameron 1:11:58

Who.

Dave 1:12:08

Was already agreed to not use this and you guys are using that only because you called it something else. Ah but not only that. But you've like doubled down on like the strength of it so something that would that took 50 years to make a problem for is happened in 20

Cameron 1:12:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I see.

Dave 1:12:26

So you're you're not only doing a thing that's like has ethical and moral like problems. But you're doing it worse. So that's what like the the large portion of the book like that's the big.

Cameron 1:12:34

Written.

Dave 1:12:44

Message is like we need to watch on these things because they're they're being. It's exponential like damage. Yeah, anyway though that that there's just a little bit more to it than than that and then the timeline is like important but the movie didn't.

Cameron 1:12:50

I Yeah oh okay, yeah, that's prophecy. Yeah no course doesn't Why would it. It's got this got time to do nice sweeping shots and.

Dave 1:13:03

Tell you that of course. Yeah, the rest of their budget was on a sleep meg scene.

Cameron 1:13:10

Not much of else of substance. Yeah yeah, I'm sure that was actually quite an expensive scene. Oh man. So yeah, prophecy is fine I'm not going to say don't watch it but just be prepared to spend the better part of 2 hours

Leonard 1:13:12

This is yeah.

Cameron 1:13:28

Not super engaged the book sounds great. Yeah.

Dave 1:13:30

Yeah I think like the nest maybe track down the book. It's a shame that there's no, there wasn't an audio version I really enjoyed the audio presentation of the nest by the way but I had to like get a second super secondhand ah of original. Like 9079 copy of the of prophecy and it's it's in its its years. It's definitely dogeared version.

Cameron 1:13:54

So yeah, yeah, all right on to Razorback from from the great outdoors of North America to the great outdoors of central Australia oh boy. Ah.

Leonard 1:14:09

Yeah I'm ah hey cameron. Ah um I got some questions before we get started. Ah well let's let's let me introduce the film First we are talking about ah Razorback which is a 1984 Australian production.

Cameron 1:14:12

Yes, yep, yeah please. And.

Leonard 1:14:26

About a killer Razor back pig well a a a a master gigantic master Razorback Pig and ah, cute little piglets that make me giggle every single time they're on screen because they're supposed to look vicious. Um.

Cameron 1:14:33

But. Yeah I have that Jubious honor.

Leonard 1:14:43

And because this is said in Australia and ah Cameron you are ah ah Australian um, ah, um, ah on a scale to um, one to blackface how socially unacceptable are the portrayals of australians in this movie.

Cameron 1:15:02

So here's the thing this film I think is a lot like mad max. It's a documentary that speaks to the spirit of the thing if not the actual execution of the thing. Um, this is not.

Leonard 1:15:05

If get up. Okay.

Cameron 1:15:17

What I would call offensively stereotyped so much as it is sort of just true at its essence. Yeah um, set set like the 70 s and eighty s in extremely rural Australia this feels about right ish. Um.

Leonard 1:15:22

Wow. Okay. I'm oh okay, that's that's distressing because I felt deeply uncomfortable watching the way that people were portrayed in this movie the entire time I was watching it.

Cameron 1:15:36

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like look some of these ah some of these are slightly played up stereotypes but the the you could probably encounter a large number of the people from this film in that time period in similar areas. It's yeah yeah.

Leonard 1:15:57

Okay, wow.

Dave 1:16:00

Yeah I was referencing um the the film wake and fright is similar time period. Um, yeah.

Cameron 1:16:07

Yeah, yeah, um, notably this was before we introduced gun control. So there's an awful lot of guns in this film. So if for anyone questioning that we did that in the 90 s this is set in like the 80 s separate. Yeah and for for good.

Leonard 1:16:17

Yeah.

Cameron 1:16:23

Because ah you pigs pigs are nasty things you got to have a rifle. Ah so yeah, yeah, like yeah like it's it's mad max it speaks to like some of the core cultural things. Um, honestly, so. Speaks to how how it just is out there still currently in terms of there's literally nothing else to do except go to the pub if you're in areas where there's no satellite connection. Um, and yeah I don't think it's don't think it's massively incorrect in a lot of its portrayal.

Leonard 1:16:58

Okay, well I feel. Ah um I don't know how to feel about that because I think I would have liked it if it was ah ah, actually offensive rather than like this is how things used to be because that's it's somehow more distressing to me.

Cameron 1:17:06

Yeah. Yeah, well if it helps the director is Australian so.

Leonard 1:17:16

Um, yes, well and I was also going to mention because you keep referencing mad max that the director of photography also worked on Mad Max too so

Cameron 1:17:24

Yeah, yep, yep, it's all in there. Um, yeah, ah raiseor back. It's ah for those who don't know Razor back is a big angry pig um that the weird thing about pigs. Let's be clear. There's no such There's no difference between a feral pig and a domestic pig. They are the exact same creature. It's just if you stop feeding a pig regularly and giving it a safe comfortable space. It will grow a bunch of fur and tusks to defend itself and go absolutely hog wild.

Leonard 1:17:46

Um, yep. Um, yep now.

Cameron 1:18:01

Out there? Yeah um, this this is this is a real problem honestly to to this day. Feral pigs are a massive danger throughout a lot of rural Australia um, actually got. Ah, little map of their general distribution. Um that I'll just pop into the Discord chat for you guys? Um, there are a few near me but mostly they just sort of cover the east and third of the country like entirely. Um. That's where all the wild pigs are it's not great. Yeah.

Dave 1:18:37

That's yeah, that's just that's larger than several countries.

Leonard 1:18:41

That So so it's like so this is your actual Pacific Rem This is your actual tied you situation.

Cameron 1:18:49

Yeah, yeah, giant pigs are the people will remember in the ah in the krypted episode I spoke about the tantonal the tiger and at 1 point someone killed a three meter which is a ten foot long pig and claimed that was the beast. That that's not an exaggeration. They get big and they get really nasty.

Leonard 1:19:07

Oh man, that's a man see when it was just like Australia is full of like the most poisonous but exotic animals on the planet I'm like yeah okay, that's weird, but like the idea that.

Cameron 1:19:20

Mm.

Leonard 1:19:26

That I could be Pig murdered if I go into the wrong part of the country is deeply distressing to me actually.

Cameron 1:19:32

Yeah, no, that's fair, um in somewhat recent news mid sort of twenty ten s a feral pig broke into a cooler drank 12 cans of beer and then fought a cow. To a standstill before passing out from alcohol poisoning. Um, so they've they've integrated with the culture is what I'm saying I'm gonna be getting citizenship eventually? Um, yeah razorback um I actually really enjoyed this film mostly because yeah.

Leonard 1:19:51

All right? Yeah, exactly. As did oh I was gonna say as did I because it's it was at least interesting to look at.

Cameron 1:20:09

Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's got some good shots. It's got a lot of lot of like reaction shots that I just find extremely funny swell a lot a lot of you know the drop to your knees go no or.

Leonard 1:20:26

Yes, it like within the within the first minute of the film actually.

Cameron 1:20:29

Pig and stuff like that. Ah, yeah, yeah, and it comes in at a hot 90 minutes so it's relatively short and sweet as well. Oh man.

Leonard 1:20:42

Yes, um, because we get a ah we get a ah a a razor back ate my baby sequence at the very ah beginning. Yes I know I'm at.

Cameron 1:20:51

Um, yeah, again, Yes, speaking to real events. Yeah, um so.

Leonard 1:20:58

Yes, I'm I'm actually very much aware of that incident which I thought was like a real once again I was just very weirded out at like the fact that that.

Cameron 1:21:06

M.

Leonard 1:21:10

This was an Australian production but like now that you've told me that this was fairly accurate I guess it makes sense that they would reference that incident. Um, but yeah, go on.

Cameron 1:21:12

Um, yeah. Yeah I mean yeah to be clear the the din the Dingo aid my baby incident was a popular joke in Australian culture for decadesck until it came out that she almost definitely did not murder her baby and that everyone sort of shamefully shuffled their feet a little and looked to one side.

Leonard 1:21:25

Right. Now.

Cameron 1:21:36

And only occasionally brought it up in future. Um, yeah, we we got a weird culture going on here. That's what I'll say. Um, yeah, so yeah, oh good old good old old man Jake Culllins babysitting his grandson. He lives out on his own on a farm.

Leonard 1:21:47

Um, yeah.

Cameron 1:21:56

In the middle of the outback I don't think they specify exactly where in the outback at any point um, could be a real town could just be the middle of like Queensland or New South Wales who knows pretty deserty pretty pretty flat that's 80% of the country. So ah. Um, and a a giant pig runs directly through the house ah snatches the baby and runs directly out the other side of the house when I say through I mean like through the walls because again classic Australian industry building standards. Um.

Leonard 1:22:27

Yep.

Cameron 1:22:36

So a problem we're having generally our homes aren't well insulated. It's even worse out there when you're building with plaster board and corrugated tin. Um, and ah everyone just assumes. Ah Jake murdered his grandson.

Leonard 1:22:53

Yes, and and set his house on fire too because the yeah, it's so wild that they're like the assumption is ah well you clearly murdered your grandson and then to cover it up.

Cameron 1:22:55

And set his house on fire. Yep because yeah of course is. M Yeah yeah.

Leonard 1:23:09

Set your home on fire and made up a ridiculous story about a Sam Ramy first person evil dead giant boar running through your your home.

Cameron 1:23:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly you know and he he gets put through the ring or on it. They do the local.. The local court comes together because no one's going to bother driving all the way out to 1 to 1 of the cities for this. Um. Just a local judge and the the court of public opinion where there's not really enough evidence to convict him because he it's it's it's a he said no one said case because he says a giant boar smashed his house up and took the baby and the the prosecution says but you had a gun didn't you shoot the born and went. Didn't work and everyone just sort of claps. Their hands goes? Well we haven't been able to find the kid's body and there was nothing in the records of the fire I Guess so we can't can't can't take him ah can't take him to sentencing with that and ah he is just ruined in the community.

Leonard 1:24:11

Yeah, it's it's wild that his daughter's like hey I I don't even believe him that was like the weirdest thing for me I'm like you left you left your kid with him So like what why? how.

Cameron 1:24:14

As it were. Yeah. And there was trust. Yeah, um, yeah, it definitely destroys his credibility and his reputation the community he loses his daughter over it basically? ah and so he fouls his his. Bloody revenge against this one Pig Um, a couple years later an American gets involved because we have to have an outsider's perspective because otherwise this film would be completely impregnable to anyone trying to watch it. Overseas.

Um, Beth winters is an american sort of wildlife ah rights reporter essentially um, doing doing pieces on you know animal abuse in various industries and that kind of thing and she is. Given the opportunity and by which I mean told explicitly she has to go to Australia and do a piece on a kangaroo cull. Um, and this is where I get to speak to it again. This happened this continues to happen and this is more or less necessary because. We as we as a ah western civilization have just completely fucked up kangaroo populations. Ah in terms of we removed a lot of native predation by killing dingoes because they went after livestock and then we created these massive areas filled with food.

Leonard 1:25:48

And write.

Cameron 1:25:55

Where kangaroos can just eat around the edges and generally not be disturbed and so they completely exploded in population immediately and have been doing so for the last two hundred years more or less unchecked. Um, so yeah, we we do indeed kill.

Leonard 1:26:04

Yes.

Cameron 1:26:13

Thousands upon thousands of kangaroos every year and we do it to protect all the other native species that are not as good at taking advantage of farms as kangaroos are um, it is for the best of reasons and ah I will I will say with my personal experience somewhat morbidly. Um, for. Medical science learning for people studying medical sciences and forensic sciences. Um, we don't have any donated bodies with Gunshot wounds. Um, so instead you get to study on kangaroos.

Leonard 1:26:45

Well, right? then? Wow yikes.

Cameron 1:26:49

I Did I did my course on bullet injuries on a bunch of Kangaroos because that's what we have? um I don't know how it is in the states I assume people donate their bodies to science and do eventually end up getting shot at some point. Ah.

Leonard 1:27:02

I do I do have a question because there was a bit of terminology that completely threw me off every single time that it was used which is do you is the term a kangaroo shooter as opposed to Kangaroo Hunter a thing.

Cameron 1:27:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you you can hunt Kangaroos for your own personal gain and ah for food or you can be a kangaroo shooter and you're part of the cull and you're not eating them. You just have to get rid of them. Well.

Leonard 1:27:21

Ah, okay. Wow. Okay, you know what? and I'm I'm going to stop questioning any aspect of this movie now because apparently it's all accurate. It's all above board. Um, because like the fact that people kept saying shooter I'm like like ah you could.

Cameron 1:27:33

There are too many. And yeah, if they're not eating them. They're a shooter.

Leonard 1:27:48

It's a hunter. Ah, oh man, that's wild. Ok cool who ah this is a that when I'm really kind of surprised that this movie is as much of an education as it is.

Cameron 1:28:03

Yeah, yeah, look ah Australia's a weird place. Ah the basic assumption is we are like every other western country we are deeply not. We have problems of our own. They're mostly our fault as every countries are yeah.

Leonard 1:28:12

Ok, well, yes, apparently because the ah from the sounds of it The the the Boars and the Kangaroos are going to team up at some Point. So overthrow the country maybe look at the drop bears involved as well.

Cameron 1:28:27

Oh yeah, for sure for sure. It's gonna happen 30 to 50 wild hogs. There's nothing on it. Yeah yep, do love me a good drop there. Oh man. Um, yeah, so Beth winters. Ah. It's coming up on her wedding at her first wedding anniversary. She's six weeks pregnant um why do we have 2 pregnant female leads in these films. That's weird actually um, guess who guesss a guess it's a good hook for the time. Um.

Leonard 1:28:55

Yes.

Cameron 1:29:04

And ah, she she gets told you got to go out and do that piece on the kangaroo carl they heard they killed 800000 kangaroos last year um and ah so off she goes taking a very very long trip to get out to Outback Australia um it is a small entirely run-down beat-up town made of corrugator tin and thin wood panels. Um relatively accurate for the places that are really out there and like there are a lot of communities like this is the issues. Um. Australia is sort of the site of a massive mining boom that's been going on ever since white people came here and it's just never stopped and that results in these tiny pockets of communities like every couple of hundred kilometers there's like 20 people who live in a few houses. On what is technically a town but really is just an opal mine in disguise. Um, again, lots of little places like this um the the really rough runs are the roadhouses on the long hauls. The roads between States. Ah.

Leonard 1:30:01

Okay.

Cameron 1:30:18

There has to be a service station for someone to get fuel and water and stuff. No one wants to live there. So. It's like maybe 5 people living in the middle of the nullarbor just sort of hanging out. Um and you know giving fuel and food to those who need it because ah if you're driving. You'll notice There's occasionally a sign that there's no water or fuel for the next five hundred kilometers ah which is always fun that that sort of speaks to it. We've got like 10% less than 10 percent of the american population in slightly more mat land masss.

Leonard 1:30:39

Yes.

Cameron 1:30:56

Um, So yeah, it's a little like that. Um, so she gets out to this little town seems pretty hospitable ah meets up with her camera her camera man her australianing guy handled the camera for her and starts doing her piece and she meets. A pretty hostile reception by the locals again. Pretty accurate. Ah, a lot of Australians don't like the idea of foreigners coming in and telling them that what they're doing is wrong at any level pretty pretty insular.

Leonard 1:31:21

Um. Um, yeah, that sounds that sounds accurate. Ah, you know, um that sounds like a thing that isn't reserves.

Cameron 1:31:33

Yep.

Leonard 1:31:38

And strictly to Australians but I'm sure that they might be more hostile to it.

Cameron 1:31:39

Yeah I think I think again a part of that is everyone's like yeah, you're a regular western country and then they come and you're like why the hell are you doing this like because we're not we know what we're doing piss off essentially.

Leonard 1:31:53

Right.

Cameron 1:31:58

So again, there's a lot of this sort of rural areas resistance to someone foreign and foreign is a big word because it could include someone from a city with more than 10000 people um coming in and saying hey you should stop doing this and they go no, we're doing what we need to do? ah.

Leonard 1:32:06

Right.

Cameron 1:32:17

It can be even so much as you know is the classic City slickers versus ah rural survivors kind of thing you know, um you can get a chili reception Even if you're still Australian but you're not from out the country. Ah, but ah once she starts.

Leonard 1:32:30

A.

Cameron 1:32:36

Questioning people about Roo shooting and is identified as sort of an animal rights activist she gets shut down pretty hard by basically everyone? Um, although she does own a bit of respect someone throws some darts at her and she pulls them off the off the wall and just drops them directly into his beer and.

Leonard 1:32:51

Um, yeah.

Cameron 1:32:54

Everyone admires this which is again accurate We like a bit of spunk as it were.

Leonard 1:33:00

And ah and this is the introductionction I believe of Benny Baker and his brother dicko.

Cameron 1:33:06

Yep Dicko Dicko good old Richard. Yeah um, Benny Baker and Dicko a couple of kangaroo shooters come opal miners and yeah it was sort of in ah in a powder blue. Um, want to say it's a suit jacket but it might be danim I can barely remember yeah again, you wear what you got? yeah.

Leonard 1:33:27

I think he was he does where man I have a lot I'm not going to question it. But man I have some notes about the costuming on this. Um I would okay goal so accurate as well. All right.

Cameron 1:33:41

That the 8080 s fashion in Australia was wild by all regards. Yeah, yeah.

Leonard 1:33:45

Cut because he's wearing like a really dirty powder blue like Blazer Jacket he's got a like Texas bolo um tie which is amazing. Um, and also he's just like completely it utterly filthy. Um, I was to talking to Dave before we start and it feels like like this movie is is like a mad Mac side story but we get the revelation that Australia like the it. The apocalypse just hit Australia and the rest of the world is fine. Unlike.

Cameron 1:34:03

I. Yeah, is just like that. Yeah, yeah, where the rest of the world is destroyed because the Oceans disappear. Yeah yeah, honestly, it sometimes feels like that. But yeah, no fashion at the time again is where what you got and also if you're a little punky which ah.

Leonard 1:34:22

The actual mad next series. Yeah.

Cameron 1:34:39

Any sort of a little bit is ah, just really amp up the weirdness of your outfit because it will confuse and anger the older people which I mean yeah, um, yeah, we got the weird dichotomy is like the the generations before like the 70 s.

Leonard 1:34:48

Ah.

Cameron 1:34:56

Super like british derived very on point as it were and then we hit that sort of 70 s to eighty s and everyone went american influence cross british punk just turn it all the way up less less respect for authority and the elders as it were the better.

Leonard 1:35:02

Um.

Cameron 1:35:15

Um, and she also meets up with Jake Cullen and manages to get a few questions in he mentions that he's a razorback hunter rather than a kangaroo shooter. Um, you know she asks about the season on Razorbacks and he goes. There's no season on razorbacks.

Leonard 1:35:24

Yes.

Cameron 1:35:32

Just shoot them whenever you see them which is correct is to the best of my knowledge. We don't have a season on feral pigs. It's sort of an onsite thing if you see one on your property. Go off. Um like.

Leonard 1:35:34

Um, yep.

Cameron 1:35:49

You know I had a friend when I was in high school whose family made a bit of extra cash during this during the school holidays by just going out to the country and shooting Kangaroos and feral pigs. Yeah that that day.

Leonard 1:35:58

Wow, That's a once again, this is a fascinating cultural lesson that we're getting about this giant Pig movie.

Cameron 1:36:09

Yeah, yeah, it is ah it is a it is a lesson in that. Yeah, this is more or less how it was It's not how it is now. It's a little more regulated and a little more organized but it's about right? Oh man. Um. So yeah, she she gets some some tips and clues that Benny Baker and his brother Dicko probably up to no good There's an abandoned pet pack factory on the edge of town. Um by on the edge of town means you know like twelve miles down the road. Ah because again.

Leonard 1:36:35

Yep. Um.

Cameron 1:36:44

Rural Australia just things are built wherever they should be and no thought given to planning at all. Um, and so off she goes and yeah here they are turning kangaroos into dog food. Ah very illegal because they don't have a business permit but otherwise again more or less what happens to a bunch of kangaroos every year they're good for pet food and ah they haven't really caught on I know I like Kangaroo but I just don't buy it very often. It's good. It's it's like light but gamy if that makes sense is very lean which is actually the problem because for pet food you have to.

Leonard 1:37:15

Um.

Cameron 1:37:24

Supplement it because it has so little fat that it's unhealthy for the for cats and dogs. But it's a good basis for pet like the go kind of get a bunch of listeners thinking I some sort of weird psychopath after this episode.

Leonard 1:37:24

Right? and. No, no, not at all like honestly I'm actually really glad like I said I felt real I un ironically felt really uncomfortable watching this movie because I felt like it was like turned up to 11 and ah once again i'm.

Cameron 1:37:47

And yeah, the minstrel show of Australian culture.

Leonard 1:37:56

Yeah, that's what it felt like and I was like I don't know if I feel comfortable talking about this because my buddy my co-host is Australian and this feels deeply offensive. But now now I have to deal with the fact that this is accurate and feel even worse about that.

Cameron 1:38:04

So yep, yep. Yep, yeah, um, and.

Dave 1:38:15

Yeah, well and that's I had mentioned to Leonard that that's something if you look at um films set in New York um during like the 70 s and then very early 80 s the depiction of New York you get if you if you were from or had visited there anytime recently.

Cameron 1:38:21

So. So.

Dave 1:38:32

Is going to seem like that's that's not real and I guess that's actually pretty much how it was that some of it's a little overstated but that's that's the New York of the time.

Cameron 1:38:36

Um, yeah, you blow it up a little for yeah, you blow it up a little for like cinematic entertainment but the core of it's about right? Yeah, um, so yes, she heads out to the pet pack where we see.

Dave 1:38:45

Yeah, yeah.

Leonard 1:38:46

You could.

Cameron 1:38:53

Benny and Dicko just throwing kangaroos into the world's biggest blender effectively. Um, it is I want to say incidentally the pet pack set is fantastic. It is like the world's best horrorce.

Leonard 1:39:06

It's really great. Yeah, like it. It's it's it's wild because like it's clear like it is a clearly a set but it's like ah it's like.

Cameron 1:39:12

Ah, something and Freddie Kruger would show up in you know. M.

Leonard 1:39:22

Ah, set that you would expect in a really? ah well done like ah horror funhouse like for Halloween that they set up like it's the like this is the meat packing room and it's got the blades and the the boiler that is.

Cameron 1:39:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leonard 1:39:39

Constantly threatening to explode and shooting offs. The.

Cameron 1:39:41

Yeah, um, yep, yep, it is 1 hell of a set and I'm glad that they get a decent chunky use out of it throughout the film.

Leonard 1:39:49

Yes.

Cameron 1:39:52

They keep going back to the pet pack and sometimes it feels a little overdone but then you realize no, but we get to see the pet pack again. So yeah, she gets some footage of them ah making their terribly illegal. Definitely not safe for consumption pet food but gets noticed runs off and drives off in a car.

Leonard 1:39:56

Get.

Cameron 1:40:12

Um, and now she was aiming to be back before sundown and again I gave some advice about rabies and about not fighting bears earlier I'm going to give you some advice in rural australia don't drive after dark um Kangaroo like dear.

Leonard 1:40:21

All right.

Cameron 1:40:27

But as opposed to deer which will see a bright light and stay perfectly still if they feel there's any risk at all when they see the bright light they will jump directly at the bright light. Um, and so there's a lot of incidences of Kangaroos going through Windscreens kicking the driver half to death and then dying in the back of the car.

Leonard 1:40:43

The hoties.

Cameron 1:40:46

Um, which I've never experienced that exactly but I've had a few things where Kangaroos have decided. It's time to cross the road because we see the car coming and they have jumped directly on the hood of the car across the roof and off the other side to continue crossing the road. Yeah.

Leonard 1:41:00

Okay, Wow. Wow.

Cameron 1:41:05

Um, so you got to be careful driving at night. You can't drive at speed like and I want to say I say rural Australia I'm including like the edge of the city that I live in I used to play d and d with people who lived like 20 minutes up into the hills and.

Leonard 1:41:13

Um, ah right.

Cameron 1:41:24

When I was driving home I could only go 40 Ks an hour because if I went faster I would hit a kangaroo and because I don't have a country car. It doesn't have the massive bull bar um or actually rhubar we call them strapped to the front to prevent the kangaroo from murdering you and um. If you look up a rhubar. They're actually a bit more extensive than bull bars because if you hit cattle they generally have too much mass to go flying over the top whereas if you hit a roo it will go flying over the top. So. There's an extra bit on top to try and prevent that.

Leonard 1:41:55

Right? Um I will say this though the the the lighting rig on um ah the the Baker boys ah truck now with that rue explanation.

Cameron 1:41:58

Oh God m. Oh man.

Leonard 1:42:09

Actually makes a significantly more sense because I'm like why do they have like like fishermen's like night trawing lights on this thing. Oh they're actually trying to attract rus because they're right? That's that makes sense.

Cameron 1:42:19

Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the the kangaroo the kangaroo will see the bright light and if the car's not on and not making noise. It'll just stand and stare at the bright light if the car is idling. It will come a little closer to see what's up. Um, so yeah, that's that's how you do it. That's the traditional kangaroo shooting outfit is you do it at night because if you do it in the day they'll just run away. Um, and yeah, if you do it at night just pop the search light on and it'll get them real calm or.

Leonard 1:42:40

That's that's wild.

Cameron 1:42:57

At least interested enough to get in range a lot of weird animal stuff going on in Australia if you want an emu to come close just lie on your back and bicycle your legs in the air and they'll be so confused by what you are that they walk right up to you. Ah. I live I live in such a strange place and um, but yeah, she she's hooning it as we'd say down the road late at night and ah Benny and Dicko obviously have taken umbrage with this foreign reporter coming to report on all their terrible doings. And so ramp her off the road and then attempt to sexually assault her again played up a bit for cinema, but there's definitely people like this out there. Um, don't say I'm not saying like undesirable people get pushed out to the sticks. But. It do happen sometimes um but they are interrupted by something just nearly knocking their own truck over and then they just leave her there and she gets back in a car. She's going to be okay, it's all over.

And then the world's ugliest hugest pig appears at the window and this this is this is the titular Razorback and it's got a pretty great. Ah I don't want to call this a model an animatronic I'm not sure's an animatronic. Okay cool I wasn't sure if they just had like a guy inside it.

Leonard 1:44:11

Um, yep. Um, it's an animatronic. Yeah yeah.

Dave 1:44:22

Yeah, they they built like 6 of them. No no, they they built a bunch of them 1 specifically to like smash into cars because it needed to be huge.

Cameron 1:44:28

Yeah, first. That's awesome I Love that and.

Leonard 1:44:33

Yeah, and it's and it's Great. It looks great and they do the it looks great when you see it. Um and they also are smart enough to light it really well like it is mostly in shadow and Sil silhouette throughout most of the movie. But even when you finally do get a full on look at it. It's a really fantastic animatronic.

Cameron 1:44:55

It's really really good. Um, again much like the rest of the film. It's not exactly right? but it really speaks to the essence of the thing like you're never going to get a pig quite this.

Leonard 1:45:03

Ah.

Cameron 1:45:08

Messed up looking in the face department but it's the the general idea is there the tusks get really huge. They get really sharp. It's got all that wiry fur all over it It yeah looks really fantastic and it really sells the idea I think.

Leonard 1:45:11

Um.

Cameron 1:45:26

Properly which yeah, which the the idea is that a pig is a really fucking scary animal if it's not a domestic one like you know, ah for for centuries. Ah nobles and Knights and Mercenaries hunted Boars to prove their sort of.

Leonard 1:45:28

Ah.

Cameron 1:45:44

Valor and worth and you go. That's just a big pig. How scary is it's like it's really scary I am afraid um and indeed this pig rips the the car door right? off and I was really shocked by this scene because I was under the impression that you know. Beth winters would be our unlikely feminine protagonist and instead about 20 minutes into the film. She gets eaten by a pig which is ah definitely subverting the expectations I had which I find quite enjoyable. Um.

Leonard 1:46:01

Yes. Yep.

Cameron 1:46:19

And yeah, there's It's a horrible fate because again, it's just a big pig. It's going to eat you. It's not Great. So um, no witnesses. Of course they find a car in the morning sort of just ran off the road. Yeah, no witnesses no evidence as to where she went. Um, so they're just. Assume she crashed her car wandered out in the darkness trying to find help and fell into a mine shaft because this entire country is covered in tiny mine shafts. It's actually true.

Leonard 1:46:45

Um, yeah. So I didn't actually question the mindshaft thing but I did my biggest thing was like come on guys like clearly something ripped ah the door off of this vehicle that she did.

Cameron 1:46:51

Yeah. So. Ah, it's just a tree man.

Leonard 1:47:04

She didn't she didn't just like hit a like a dune and the door flew off and rolled away So I'm just like man. They're just like yeah, whatever and I'm like is that also accurate is.

Cameron 1:47:11

That yeah. Um, I mean.

Leonard 1:47:19

That cavalier nature of like well we found an abandoned car. It's more of a hassle to tow it than to junket.

Cameron 1:47:26

That mean I I think it is more of hassle to tour than it is just to leave it there. Absolutely I think in general I Like to think a little bit better of the the small town spirit and say they'd at least get like do a day of looking for someone but apart from that. Yeah, um.

Leonard 1:47:37

Okay.

Cameron 1:47:43

The the real problem. Um, which is really illustrated really nicely in this film actually is there's no real law enforcement in Rural Australia The town has a single cop who I think also owns a stake in the bar or something. Um, but ah where where my wife's parents live. It's just.

Leonard 1:47:51

Um, yes.

Cameron 1:48:02

4 or so hours south of Perth the town they live in has a couple of hundred people. It has 2 police officers and the end result of this is that ah no one bothers not to speed because they know that if some person is manning a speed camera in the area. It means there's only one cop or. On call for regular emergencies. So the result is there's no so there's no road safety oversight at all because they simply don't have the people for it in case, a real emergency happens. Um, yeah, and yeah, yeah, and this is like this is like a couple of hundred k's.

Leonard 1:48:24

Whoo.

Cameron 1:48:41

Out from the capital city of my state. It's not far. He says calling it a couple of hundred kilometers distance. Whatever um, so yeah, like ah they they just don't have the resources to deal with this kind of thing so when it happens. Kind of look for them a bit and then if you can't find them within a day or 2 it's like the desert got them basically important safety tip for Australia if you're traveling in rural Australia and your car breaks down or you have a crash. Don't leave your car.

Leonard 1:49:02

Right? yes. Um, yeah.

Cameron 1:49:14

People can find the car if you're still in the car. You're fine. Also the car provides shade and I mean I wouldn't suggest drinking out of the radiator but desperate times desperate measures. Um, yeah, ah hot tip don't leave the car. We're doing a lot of safety tips this episode I'm into it.

Leonard 1:49:33

Um, this is.

Cameron 1:49:34

Um, get your rabie shots. Don't fight bears don't crash your car at night in Australia oh goodness. Um ah about a week later. Her husband goes I got this weird message from Australia saying my wife disappeared. And so he goes to Australia and um, this is Carl winters um presumably cousin to Ethan winters and this is actually set in the resin evil universe um, and he's coming out here to try and find out what actually happened to his wife. Um, and he really doesn't have much to go on so he gets dropped off by the bus rents a room at the pub realizes that ah he can't drive anywhere because he doesn't have a car so ask about taxi gets told that the last time they saw a taxi was probably twenty years ago

Leonard 1:50:31

Um.

Cameron 1:50:32

And he was very lost and so instead the guy running the pub just loans him his car. Um, which I should point out he was loading the car up with ah beer kicks and then goes take the car Anyway, like yeah again, this also speaks to the truth. Okay.

Leonard 1:50:42

I Noticed that.

Cameron 1:50:51

If you if you're like not immediately considered like offensive or threatening to their way of life. A lot of people in Australia just like yeah man, whatever you need a hand sure we are relatively friendly. It's a people. Um, if we don't think you're trying to call us all like animal murderers because we shoot kangaroos.

Leonard 1:51:07

Um, this key.

Cameron 1:51:10

Um, which is it's it's a correct appellation I suppose. But again the the layers of the problem kind of deal. Um, yes, yeah, he just he gets this car drives out to see ah Jake Cullen who's one of the last people to have seen his wife alive. And again gets told about razorbacks and he's like I just want to know what happened to my wife you keep showing me these dead pics. Um, and he's going that look man you want to find out the truth go go check out the pet pack or whatever. Um.

Leonard 1:51:32

Indeed. Yep.

Cameron 1:51:44

Because I think at this point Jake's gotten tired of telling people that there's a giant murder pig somewhere out there and just getting rebuffed. Yeah ah sort of figure it out for yourself. Kind of deal. Um.

Leonard 1:51:48

Yes, that no and having yeah having no one believe him.

Cameron 1:52:03

And so he goes up to the pet pack pretends to be a ah a canadian prospector. Basically you know I was told you know Jake Cullen told me you guys know a bit about opal mining yada yada yada he had to try my luck um calls himself bill.

Leonard 1:52:10

Ah. Yes.

Cameron 1:52:23

It's great job. Um, and ah they bring him along on the kangaroo hunt that that evening because why not again hey you can stay with us. We got beds. We got food have again, just give give yeah give them sausages give give what you've got and be be polite to.

Leonard 1:52:35

Sausages.

Cameron 1:52:42

Guests and all that kind of thing and also hey do you want to come shooting. You're you're from America right? So you guys love guns.

Leonard 1:52:48

Yeah, yeah, yes I very much I very much kind of ah chuckled at the well America and Canada they're basically the same thing you all you all like guns.

Cameron 1:52:55

They're the same. Yeah yeah, see again is that is that point of view of you're the same continent so you're the same country and because we're one continent. We're a single country. It's a really unfortunate thing that sort of does.

Leonard 1:53:01

Right? right? and.

Cameron 1:53:12

Apply in the general mindset. You know like all the asian people are chinese all the european people of french all the south american people are from Brazil and that's the sort of general assumption and like we understand that there are different countries in this area.

Leonard 1:53:16

Oh yeah, right, get right.

Cameron 1:53:29

But unless you particularly care about that kind of thing you just don't think about it too much I guess um yeah, take them out kangaroo hunting and ah you but Kangaroo shooting I should say really, they're not going to eat these ones. Um.

Leonard 1:53:32

Right.

Cameron 1:53:48

And he gets to man the spotlight and immediately nearly blinds deo with it and yeah, you get to see how it works you drive out into the middle of nowhere. You turn the car off so it doesn't frighten the ruse and then you just scan the spotlight around until you get 1 in it. It's it. Intrigued by the bright white light and so it doesn't move and then you shoot it and ah now these guys are particularly cruel so they shoot it in such a way that it does not immediately die. All the kangaroo shooters I have met and the ones I dealt with for my bullet wound class.

Leonard 1:54:14

Right.

Cameron 1:54:24

Ah, very professional and make sure to shoot the kangaroo in such a way that it instantaneously dies. Um, but you know they're saying you know we're going to be doing this all night and we want these ones specifically for the pet food industry so we don't want them to die right away because rigor Mortis will make them difficult to process. Um.

Leonard 1:54:30

Ah. Fright.

Cameron 1:54:43

Thinking back to that enormous blender and all that like no man come on like that that that blender can take anything I don't think it matters if the ruse gone a little stiff after 8 hours hanging from Iraq. Um, but ah, you know this doesn't sit too well with Carl.

Leonard 1:54:46

Um, yeah. This is.

Cameron 1:55:00

Between that and probably the sausages honestly, he has a bit of a bit of a vomitous reaction. Um, and then they do the the most the possibility the most dickhead thing possible which is they ah sit him out with the kangaroo that he killed. Give them give them a jacket and then say cool. We're back in like 6 hours um and to be clear hey don't do this. It is murderously cold at night out there. It is like fully in the negatives even in the middle of summer because there's no cloud cover and you're in a desert so it just drops.

Leonard 1:55:21

Yeah.

Cameron 1:55:39

Um, and indeed we see Carl cuddling up to his dead Kangaroo for warmth like a little taunt on they are sort of taunt on shaped move very differently. That's the right it's the right outline um ah he is then.

Leonard 1:55:44

Yeah, like a Tanton Yes, ah.

Cameron 1:55:58

Sort of later in the night disturbed by the snarling and snuffling of a large wild boar of some kind and then just chased by a herd of pigs through the night um yeah you mentioned that these are very cute pigs and they are.

Leonard 1:56:05

Yes, but these are very cute pigs They of course they couldn't have borified them up like actually so it is like it is like the the insane like mastermind.

Cameron 1:56:16

No no. Yeah, yeah, regular escaped pigs.

Leonard 1:56:25

For razor back and then like his minions are like like it's literally. It's literally like hey ah the razor back is bowser and these other pigs are shy guys. That's that's.

Cameron 1:56:36

Yeah, yeah, it really it really is that star. Yeah, and yeah, that's the thing is like you You can't use wild pigs to film this because they will just put a run all around and disrupt the shot and be probably injure someone.

Leonard 1:56:51

Yes.

Cameron 1:56:55

So instead just yeah, get a bunch of domestic pigs and make them look as threatening as possible which is not very yeah yeah, oh I know.

Leonard 1:56:59

Yeah I was going to say not at all these are the cute. It's the cutest little little fugging Chase sequence for your life I've ever seen in a film.

Cameron 1:57:12

What really sells it for me is how well looked after all the pigs look like these are happy and fat pigs and any any feral pig and very clean, any feral pig will be none of those 3 things. Um they they lean up something fierce fierce if they don't have a regular food supply. Um.

Leonard 1:57:14

Yes, and Clean. This.

Cameron 1:57:30

But yeah, he gets chased up a windmill and again classic Australian infrastructure. This thing is so weak as to be possibly knocked over by a few a few pigs sort of leaning up against and going. Oh what's up there. Oh look. It's a man. Um, and so in the morning.

Leonard 1:57:30

Yes.

Cameron 1:57:49

Um, he is knocked fully into this watering hole. Um, and then we get the the revelation that pigs can't swim Um, which doesn't feel right? but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if that's true.

Leonard 1:58:04

Um I neither am I um.

Cameron 1:58:07

Ah, so I'm gonna have to look that out hold I'm just can pigs swim pigs are excellent swimmers according according to a Texas University Professor Good to know.

Leonard 1:58:17

Um, all right? Well men men Maybe these pigs shouldn't have should have been rabid because then they would be hydrophob.

Cameron 1:58:26

Oh yeah, yeah, that but that't make a lot of sense God I'm glad I'm glad rabies isn't really a thing of and.

Leonard 1:58:32

Oh G Yes, so am I Honestly after everything that you've described That's literally the last thing that your gut drink me.

Cameron 1:58:41

We don't need that we've been in an arms war of species for the last million odd years you don't need anything else. Yeah, excellent So pigs are excellent swimmers. But for the purposes of this film pigs can't swim I thought this was going to have a greater impact on the plot than it did.

Leonard 1:58:55

Yes, nope.

Cameron 1:59:00

Um, ah, um, so yeah, he he manages to keep away from this ferocious herd of pigs by staying in the water. Um, even when a decapitated Pig head bubbles up from underneath.

Leonard 1:59:17

Yep.

Cameron 1:59:19

And underneath the surface. Um and he then goes through the um I don't want to say the classic australian outback spiritual journey but I did I did recently rewatch? Um John Oliver forever ago did a spot.

Leonard 1:59:29

I was actually thinking that myself.

Cameron 1:59:38

On australian gun control and he did this exact sequence like it is like just replace all the boar imagery with a guy in a kangaroo suit and that's that's young John Oliver just stumbling around. Um.

Leonard 1:59:46

And. This this sequence is wild. It goes on for a while but it is like fascinating and really imaginative. We have like the the weird Matt painting crack on one side while he's walking through the desert.

Cameron 1:59:59

Um, yeah, it's really good. Yeah nope.

Leonard 2:00:11

Um, he doesn't have any shoes anymore. So he's like wrapping his feet up and they're awful and bloody and while he's while he's doing so a skeletal horse bursts from the ground and chases after him.

Cameron 2:00:19

That's about right. Yep, while another skeletal horse laughs in the background. It is some wild imagery I Love it.

Leonard 2:00:30

Yes, it's it. Yeah, it's it once again, it's very like Sam Ramy like early Sam Ramy very early Peter Jackson um like

Cameron 2:00:38

Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

Leonard 2:00:46

And and you they you know they get to get away with putting the sequence in because he's ah um, ah turning into dust literally as he exists.

Cameron 2:00:56

Yeah, dehydration is 1 hell of a truck ah man and he manages to stumble very luckily um through a barbed wire fence to get onto someone's property.

Leonard 2:01:00

Um. Do yep.

Cameron 2:01:11

Ah, and interrupts Sarah Cameron not Sarah Connor um Sarah Cameron who is ah taking a shower beneath her water tower again as you do if before look not everywhere has a lot of internal plumbing.

Leonard 2:01:16

And. Right.

Cameron 2:01:30

Especially not out in these areas where there's no reason to run a pipe. You know the the thousand kilometers out to this town. Um, so instead you just have a big old water tower and maybe some piping to get some into your house like run the taps and stuff. But if you want to shower. It's way easier to just open the grade at the bottom of the water tower. And because there's no one within within 20 ks of you. Why not just do it out in the garden and the answer is because ah because a dehydrated hallucinating man might stumble onto your property and scare the ever loving crap out of you.

Leonard 2:02:03

Yep.

Cameron 2:02:07

So yes, I'll introduced to Sarah Cameron she's a friend of Jake's who's been doing a study for the government on the feral pig population in the area again. Real thing. Um, we've got. We've got a lot of great government wildlife studies. My favorite is that. In western Australia we have an early warning system for yellow fever. Ah, which uses chickens as the early warning indicator someone gets paid to keep chooks and just test their blood for antigens because the chos will get bit by the mosquitoes first.

Leonard 2:02:31

No call just. So like external coal mine canaries.

Cameron 2:02:46

E yeah yeah, this this chicken will protect us from the Bloodborne illnesses. Um, although in this case, it's more of a got to make sure these feral pigs don't destroy the local economy kind of study I believe.

Leonard 2:02:49

The man. Right.

Cameron 2:03:02

Because you know you're either farming or you're mining out here. You're not doing much else unless you're the guy who runs the only industry which is the pub. Ah.

Leonard 2:03:08

Yeah, exactly yeah.

Cameron 2:03:14

Doesn't have much else to do. Um, she's been studying the local pig population. She's also the only person who believes Jake's story about the giant Razorback. Um, and in particular she believes it partly because the pigs have been going nuts lately. Um, they found a pig with a stress ulcer if you could believe it and they've also been cannibalizing some some outside force has been really laying the pressure on this little piggy society. Um, and ah.

Leonard 2:03:42

Ah.

Cameron 2:03:47

You know during his massive hallucination sequence and while being chased through the night by a flock of wild pigs Carl may or may not have seen the razor back. So as soon as soon as ah, Jake learns about that. He sort of runs off ready to ready to take it. Take it down as it were um and you know he he's dead set on his revenge. He's running off Sarah's a little more on the ball about this, you know, take this rifle with a tracking dart as well because.

Leonard 2:04:25

Yep.

Cameron 2:04:26

You know if you can't finish it off. We should be able to at least follow it and also calls in to the only local police officer by radioing the pub um is like and very cryptically implies that ah she knows what happens to Beth winters.

Leonard 2:04:35

And.

Cameron 2:04:44

Like and Jake's gone to sort it out which ah Benny and Dicko are here because they're just sitting in the pub having a drink because there's nothing else to do if you're not busy shooting kangaroos or doing some other kind of labor. Um, you.

Leonard 2:04:54

Right.

Cameron 2:05:02

Pretty they they they're pretty sure that Jake's like going to pin beth winter's death on them because it is absolutely their fault they they they cause this and so they go off to deal with the problem. Ah Jake sets himself up by the watering hole.

Leonard 2:05:07

Um, yep.

Cameron 2:05:21

We get a couple of good panning shots of the flock pigs the herd of pigs that little call this and just in the back behind a bush This is like this large square object and it was we sort of focus in that's that's not ah that's not a rectangle that is a pigtangle Um, the world's hugest bore.

Leonard 2:05:22

Yes. Um. Is this. East gap.

Cameron 2:05:40

Just hanging out behind the behind his swarm of minions at the watering hole again. This thing looks fantastic in every shot. It's in I love the Razorback. It is the blockiest animal imaginable it.

Leonard 2:05:49

Yeah. Um.

Cameron 2:06:00

Oh man. Um, yeah, yeah, um, he manages to shoot it with a work. He gets a couple of shots on it which don't really do much and then he hits it with the tracking dart and eventually sort of drives it off. Um.

Leonard 2:06:09

Right.

Cameron 2:06:19

And he finds Beth's wedding ring not actually her wedding ring her anniversary gift ring in in the Razorback dung and gives it back to Karl who obviously fully begins the grieving process because a pig ate his wife.

Leonard 2:06:34

Yes, fully fully begins the grieving process which is a pig eight my wife but Sarah's really cute because it's the 80 s.

Cameron 2:06:38

Oh yeah, it's the 80 s it look look hot young lady naked in the first shot she's in because of course.

Leonard 2:06:50

Good good goodbye goodbye old wife hello new wife wife yes which is also very 80 s to be perfectly. Honest.

Cameron 2:06:57

Hello New exotic foreign wife. Yeah, oh yeah, it's it's the most eighty um and so Jake is back camping out waiting for signs of. The bore he's waiting for bor sign the there's an alternate world where this is done in the style of june and I'd actually really love that. Um, we have we have bo side and Benny and Dicko attack him in the night ah knock him out and then break his legs with a pair of bolt cutters not like like the cutting motion just using them as a bludgeoning instrument. Um, and again real serious stuff just one of the most again funny to me reaction cuts where he wakes up and looks down his legs. Just.

Leonard 2:07:33

Um, yeah, yes.

Cameron 2:07:51

Ah, into the sky as he sort of gets fade transition down.

Leonard 2:07:51

Um, yeah. Which is also kind of wild wild because they kind of set that reaction up because they since they knock him out. They're like well he won't feel it and feel it and they're like well he will if he wakes up and before the board gets him.

Cameron 2:08:09

Um. Yeah.

Leonard 2:08:14

Before the razor back gets um, only for that to be the thing that actually happens.

Cameron 2:08:20

Yeah, yeah, they they called it a hundred percent um unable to move. He sends his dog off to go get Sarah yeah yeah, yeah.

Leonard 2:08:27

Spider where so this really upset me to because I was like fully expecting that to be like how it happens but no, it's not.

Cameron 2:08:38

No, no, um, the the dog has the great unfortunate unfortunate circumstance of running along the side of the road while Benny is driving and ah Benny just for the hell of it runs over the dog. Because again, he's just that kind of really messed up person. Um I mean yeah, not specifically with dogs but there are definitely people who do this again is just animal cruelty is a way of life for some people and I hate that. Um, and so with.

Leonard 2:08:57

Yep. Um, yep.

Cameron 2:09:12

Definitely no help coming Jake is just dragged himself like 50 yards across open mud and like boar bullshit to the pumping station to try and get some water up on which the razorback immediately attacks the station.

Leonard 2:09:18

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, with a really great shot because they keep like the exterior while he's climbing up crawling up the door doesn't have like a lock or a hinge or anything so it's just flapping open repeated open and shut repeatedly.

Cameron 2:09:37

Um, yeah, yeah.

Leonard 2:09:44

Makes his way in. He's underneath some dripping water the door's still flapping and ah, you know we all knew what was going to happen. But it's still executed really well where it swings open and there's the razor back.

Cameron 2:09:50

Yeah. Yep there it is and it indeed does get him. He doesn't manage to get his revenge. Ah again, subverting expectations really really expected this movie to end with Jake ah shooting the bore at the particular point of its head that makes it explode.

Leonard 2:10:08

Um, no yep.

Cameron 2:10:19

Or whatever like the end of jaws. Um, ah, but yeah, um, Sarah is dropping karyl off at the bus station. Um, so that he can return to America's essentially worst bus station I've ever seen. It is a sign in the middle of the road.

Leonard 2:10:20

Ah, right. Um, just.

Cameron 2:10:37

With no shelter. It's the middle of the day. It must be like °C which is like up in the one twenty s for you guys. It's it's just just leaves in there light. He'll be fine. The bus will come eventually. But driving back. She sees the dog dead on the side of the road.

Leonard 2:10:49

Yeah.

Cameron 2:10:56

Immediately wheels back grabs Karl and we got to go check on Jake Jake is very dead and the Razorback definitely got him. Um, but as a clue in the dirt nearby a series of long scratches.

Leonard 2:11:01

Yes.

Cameron 2:11:11

Which Carl has a flashback to ah Benny just throwing his cleaver at the ground during the kangaroo hunt because this man is incredibly violent and loves to throw things. Um, and so sort of deduces that ah they were responsible for Jake's death

Leonard 2:11:17

Yep.

Cameron 2:11:30

And the only reason they'd be responsible for Jake's death is ah Sarah on the radio saying Jake knows what happens to happen to Beth winters which means they're probably responsible for his wife's death and goes on the classic movie rampage in that he crashes a truck into their into their camp.

Leonard 2:11:48

Ah.

Cameron 2:11:49

And when Dicko comes out saying hey you can't park. You may effectively just start shooting at him. So.

Leonard 2:11:53

He yes yes also at this point um, ah he's he's Carl is dressed like ash from evil dead suddenly.

Cameron 2:12:05

Yes, yeah, yeah, he really he really sort of amped up his style for the for the revenge sequence of this film. Ah so while while he's doing this Sarah is off sort of essentially rousing a posse.

Leonard 2:12:13

Um, yes.

Cameron 2:12:21

You know Jake Cullins dead he was actually killed by a giant ball but he got a tracker on it. Let's go get this thing and everyone's into this. Everyone is so into this I love it. Um, this is a community of shooters. Everyone has a gun and everyone has a ride except for the pub. The publican.

Leonard 2:12:21

Um. Um, the.

Cameron 2:12:40

Um, who has to hitch a ride on a dromedary Camel Um, which again yet set up early in the movie not out of not out of style for Rural Australia We have one of the largest free camel populations in the world.

Leonard 2:12:40

Um, yes, which which was set up earlier in the movie. Now that is something that I did know about Australia actually yep yeah, ah.

Cameron 2:13:00

And not native. They just live they they just fantastically well adapted for central australia so there they live. They're not as big of a problem as the kangaroos but that's because we've been more on top of that we have also had Camel Culves

Leonard 2:13:15

Nice makes sense. Yep.

Cameron 2:13:17

Um, we also sell them to Saudi Arabia we export camels and sand to countries that already have an excess of both those things I don't know if it's like better quality or something but they they want them and we don't need them. So. Off they go oh man, um, the posse ah manages to surround the dreaded Razorback everyone jumps out of hiding only to find the world's cutest piglet which Sarah had been tagging.

Leonard 2:13:36

Ah. Um, yep, the.

Cameron 2:13:55

Earlier in the film. Ah because you know there's there's 2 tracking signals. They accidentally followed the wrong one but everyone assumes this is just a tale of a tale of 2 porkies in terms of the big lie. Um god I must sound incomprehensible to certain people at the moment. Um, ah yeah, they they assumed she was blowing smoke up their us and that she was lying about the giant pig and so everyone decides to go home. Um, meanwhile we zoom in on the menacing track icon showing that the boar has gone to the pet pack. Um, which.

Leonard 2:14:13

Um. Yes.

Cameron 2:14:33

Definitely I Got to say I Really appreciate the tech here because it is a computer monitor that tracks like got a little glowing pixel to track the the the beacon but to actually.

Leonard 2:14:41

In.

Cameron 2:14:46

Localize and understand any geography. They have a thin sheet that they lay over the screen with the actual map on it and I love that so much again, it's it's out was it's excellent. Um, yeah, ah Carl.

Leonard 2:14:51

Um, yes that that it it's It's very good.

Cameron 2:15:05

Ah pursues god pursues Benny um through the opal mines which is what this craded landscape is you dig a little hole and you go down a little bit and see if you get anything it if not you go three feet to the left and do it again? um.

Leonard 2:15:09

Benny. Yep.

Cameron 2:15:27

And Benny manages to sort of hide in 1 of the actual shafts and sort of spring out and attack Karl with a hook and not a great idea because then he just lowers him into the mine shaft and starts questioning him because ah, it's a long drop.

Leonard 2:15:39

Yes.

Cameron 2:15:45

Um, I'll tell you that much. Um and you know, um Dicko is back at the cannery of course getting ready for the evening of work and that's all Carl needs to know just thinks about cutting the line that Benny is holding onto. Thinks better of it just walks off and about 3 seconds later the line unpools itself. Anyway, yeah, no no coldb bloododed murder here just just bore murder.

Leonard 2:16:08

Yep, well that way our our hero didn't technically murder. Anybody just just criminal indifference.

Cameron 2:16:22

Criminal indifference. Yes, that's that's a nice turn of phrase I like that. Um, yeah, so Carl makes his way out to the cannery ah Corners Dicko and then the pig appears and pig is here it mauls Dicko straight to death.

Leonard 2:16:37

Yep.

Cameron 2:16:42

Ah, and then Carl is chased into the factory Sarah ends up, you know the posse breaks up she heads home checks the track and goes courses with the pair pack comes back ah and goodness.

Leonard 2:16:55

Are.

Cameron 2:16:58

And Carl is sort of screaming for to to get the hell out of there because the razorback is here. Ah, she instead runs in and we get a fantastic sort of stalker sequence through the pet pack again. Really glad they got.

Leonard 2:17:10

E.

Cameron 2:17:14

Full use out of this set because this is really excellent with all the variety of like textures and objects and particle effects I Want to say so like smoke and steam and just red and blue lighting Leak Leaky pipes.

Leonard 2:17:23

Ah. Leaky pipes.

Cameron 2:17:33

This is an absolutely fantastic sequence. Um, we even get a a callback to traditional boar hunting which I really appreciated at 1 point the Razorback charges Carl and he manages to snatch up a piece of scaffolding with sort of ah a. Little broken crossbit near the tip and the boar charging him impales itself on that which is the the classical boar hunting method of a boar spear which is a big broadbladed spear with a with a hilt.

Leonard 2:17:58

Um, ah yes.

Cameron 2:18:08

Right? Below the blade to stop the pig from just running down the length of the spear and still killing you. Um, it also gets electrocuted as it manages to Ram its tusks through a generator. Um, yeah.

Leonard 2:18:11

And it's. Yep, and and and begins the resident Evil Lab Countdown Explosion Timer for the.

Cameron 2:18:28

Yeah, yeah, as as the as the boiler begins to go into critical overdrive. But also that means everything's turned on including the conveyor belt covered in meat that leads to the world's biggest blender and man.

Leonard 2:18:42

Yep.

Cameron 2:18:44

Ah, Kyle just straight up lures that pig into the world's biggest blender.

Leonard 2:18:47

He he does. He does the Japanese Anime Butt slap and that's the Pig's demise and I think that might actually be the funniest thing that I've ever seen.

Cameron 2:18:52

Yet yet yet. It was so Good. The the one thing I think could have improved This is the ball goes through the grinder fully I wanted the grinder to stop like get clogged up like halfway through so it was just the bore head so you would have that perfect comparison point.

Leonard 2:19:11

But ah, and.

Cameron 2:19:17

With all the other razor backheads we sort. Ah yeah I think would have been good but instead it just sort of disappears into the mincing blades which I mean hunt through you'd probably find the tusks or something to like prove that the bore existed. But as it is this this scene turns the bore into acrypted there's no evidence of its existence anymore. Um, and ah Carl manages to find Sarah tangled up in a whole bunch of chains and momentarily assumes she is straight up dead begins the morning process and you and then she wakes up. And it's all good. Sure Jake's dead your wife's dead ah Benny and Dicko are both dead a little less sad about that. Ah, but ah that the boar is slain.

Leonard 2:20:02

Yes, the boar slain he managed to stop the Self-destruct sequence. Um yep.

Cameron 2:20:04

Yes, by a percussive maintenance just hit it with a stick until it stops overheating got to release the pressure. Yeah.

Leonard 2:20:14

Um, the bo the bore is minced like Leon if you miss that QTE in resident evil 6

Cameron 2:20:21

E yep yep down the down the down the sink blender you go? Yeah, this film was really fun. Um, it's like it's the Australian version of camp.

Leonard 2:20:30

It was. Um, yes.

Cameron 2:20:37

Horror I think is sort of what this is playing into um because again, ah you you talked early about this potentially being a offensive problem is we love shit like this. It's very hot. It's very hard to make something like this and for some venfa.

Leonard 2:20:50

Ah, well all right? then.

Cameron 2:20:56

Most Australians ago actually that's feels kind of crude and offputting as a stereotype. We go no man it was. It was absolutely like that. We love this shit. Um, ah it was yeah it's fun.

Leonard 2:21:06

Well I feel I feel much better about this film in general than um, ah not that I didn't like it I thought it I I did actually really enjoy it once again, it's really, it's.

Cameron 2:21:12

Yeah, um.

Leonard 2:21:18

It's shot really? well. It's got some really fantastic transitions. Um, throughout once again, that hallucination sequence is kind of amazing, especially because it comes out of nowhere. Ah yeah, this this movie's.

Cameron 2:21:18

Yeah, yes. Um, yeah.

Leonard 2:21:36

Kind of amazing. So I'm glad that it's not offensive.

Cameron 2:21:38

It's good now like ah we're we're a nation that treasures crocodile Dundee as a film like this is exactly our stuff. Um, yeah.

Leonard 2:21:43

Then that's true.

Cameron 2:21:52

No I had not seen this before actually so I'd always heard about it and just never gotten around to watching it So I'm glad I did because it was fun. It a good time and yeah, that bore is really impressive as it as an animatronic I'm really glad they went full practical. They didn't have much choice. It was the early eighty s.

Leonard 2:22:00

Yeah.

Cameron 2:22:10

Do like a paint a paint over I guess but um, yeah, it's fantastically like you said shot good transitions and it's nice. It's it's bright and colorful when it needs to be and it's like dark and bright I like that the dark scenes are blue. They're not black.

Leonard 2:22:25

Yes.

Cameron 2:22:27

So you can still sort of see what's going on but it really gives the the sense of how dark and cold it is you know late at night out in the trees or late at night in the pet pack. And yeah, um.

Leonard 2:22:40

Oh it is worth noting that the ah the creator of the animatronics Bob Mc Carru I believe ah worked on a dark city and the matrix after this so but.

Cameron 2:22:46

E. Well there you go. That's where it's coming from. But yeah, um, that was that was the prophet not theing prophecy that was prophecy no Christopher Walken in this one? No that.

Leonard 2:22:57

Ah.

Dave 2:23:01

If very yeah, very confusing, not good to walk and.

Leonard 2:23:05

A man. What? what? what? if ah instead of Frank Welker who was the voice of the bear in prophecy it had been voiced by Christopher Walken

Cameron 2:23:08

Prophecy and raise aback good pair and. Ah, aurar I can't do a good walk and ah, that would have been an improvement. Thank you? Ah oh man. Um, yeah, definitely watch Razorback if you haven't.

Leonard 2:23:23

But that was a fantastic snaggle bus.

Dave 2:23:30

Ah.

Cameron 2:23:35

Maybe watch prophecy if you're kind of into the idea of it or you can research prophecy 1979 and the first autofill will be sleeping bag and you can watch the best 40 seconds of cinema. Yeah, so.

Leonard 2:23:47

Um, yes, yeah.

Dave 2:23:49

the one yeah the 1 the 1 decent scene. Yeah so Razorback was also based off of a well this raisorback was based off of a novel rather than being another screenplay. So I I didn't get a chance to read that unfortunately but um, the writer of that.

Cameron 2:23:54

Yeah, yeah, oh let's go. Ah.

Leonard 2:23:59

Um, down.

Dave 2:24:06

Was it but also believe um, tangentally involved in the film. But the thing was the ah that's an american writer. So it's really weird. So I want to read the novel now to see if it's like if it's a 1 to 1 then you had a really good grasp of like Australia.

Cameron 2:24:09

So okay, that's good. Yeah I I have a feeling that it was like a typical.

Leonard 2:24:19

Um, right.

Cameron 2:24:29

Animal Horror novel just written with Australian set dressing and then an Australian director came and went we can amp this up to the ridiculous. Yeah, the ridiculous indeed? Yeah um.

Dave 2:24:34

We we can do this? Yeah, we we have the yeah we have the dp from Mad Max to we got this.

Leonard 2:24:37

Um. Um.

Cameron 2:24:45

Ah, do believe actually that the director of Razorback also did highland russell russell mulka mulah he yeah directed highlander as well as resin evil extinction but maybe not that one but ah.

Dave 2:24:50

I'm gonna go.

Leonard 2:24:56

Wow Oh and and also and also directed the video for video killed the radio star.

Dave 2:24:58

Is.

Cameron 2:25:06

Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right fastcards tracking shot glowing lights near and Noir lighting window wind blown drapery and fans that's his style. Definitely.

Dave 2:25:08

Okay, that feels appropriate.

Leonard 2:25:14

Oh.

Dave 2:25:17

That is.

Leonard 2:25:18

Also that explains the use of a durant ran song in the film as well.

Cameron 2:25:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah, ah, all right? unless you 2 have anything to add I think we can sort of wrap it up into admin.

Leonard 2:25:33

The the only thing that I have to add is apparently this film was also released on my birthday when I was two years old so there's that yeah yep, keep.

Cameron 2:25:44

Ah, yay, it's Leonard's birthday film happy birthday 2 year old watch this and never come to this country.

Dave 2:25:47

It's this birthday present that you got.

Leonard 2:25:53

Yeah, exactly.

Dave 2:25:55

You'll you'll be visiting this in 40 years

Cameron 2:25:56

Oh boy, oh.

Leonard 2:25:58

Yeah I've well I've taken notes I know I know ah some some tips and tricks to not get murdered in your country that seems to want to end all human life that has invaded it. So.

Cameron 2:26:15

Yeah, low the the indigenous population we doing fine that it's just not well suited to us. They didn't have problems with Razorbacks because they didn't introduce fell picks who couldve guessed. It's so easy. Um.

Leonard 2:26:18

Right? apparently. Um, yep.

Dave 2:26:29

And here we are again 30 to thirty thirty to 50 wild hogs.

Cameron 2:26:31

Although I guess you know they they introduced dogs and then we got dingoes. Yeah, but yeah, ah so we'll wrap that up here. You can find the show on Twitter at Mon Underscore demonster or online at monsterdear.monster

Leonard 2:26:33

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Cameron 2:26:48

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Leonard 2:27:14

Yes, they can find me on Twitter by searching Dr Faust is dead and they can find my video essay work on Youtube by also searching Dr Faust is dead Dave.

Dave 2:27:26

You can nelly still find me on Twitter for a while I guess I think I think everyone's slowly. It's been a definitely slow. It's just like waves waves of migrating elsewhere. Yeah.

Cameron 2:27:36

So transition away. Yeah.

Leonard 2:27:41

Gap.

Dave 2:27:46

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Cameron 2:27:48

And. That they're doing their best.

Leonard 2:27:58

Yeah, oh he will he will. He will try harder to make everyone hate the site even more.

Cameron 2:27:59

Specifically. I no yes and you can find our currently absent cohost Matt at ugly machine. Basically anywhere I believe that he is except for Twitter don't find him there.

Dave 2:28:07

Yeah. They except for Twitter.

Leonard 2:28:16

Yes.

Dave 2:28:20

Yeah I think on I think he has the Instagram I'm trying to remember now. Yeah, it's Tumblr is temple on Instagram. Yeah.

Cameron 2:28:21

But check out his stuff if you can find him he does some cool metal working. Yeah, he definitely has a Tumblr. Yeah, yeah there we go all right? Thanks so much for listening. We hope you enjoyed because we definitely did and we'll see you next week bye everybody

Dave 2:28:41

Bye bye.

Leonard 2:28:42

Good-bye everyone.